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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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  The more I read, the happier I am about the Poconos. The price went up this &lt;br /&gt; year for infielders wanting to go to the grandstands for any reason &lt;br /&gt; (qualifying, ARCA race). A pit pass was required, but the new garages &lt;br /&gt; allowed fans to see the teams at work. The RV is still the best place to &lt;br /&gt; watch the race, as most people next to us come back from the stands by half &lt;br /&gt; way through the race and climb up on the roof. The reserved infield spots &lt;br /&gt; are the secret. Just $100.oo more than a regular spot, but the view is great &lt;br /&gt; and no tickets are needed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;hkel...@AThawaiiDOT.edu&gt; wrote in message &gt; It was bad enough for me as one &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;person, but now with six of us flying from &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; Hawai`i, It&#039;s cheaper to spend $1,958 for an RV on the back stretch. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Aloha, Henry &lt;br /&gt; &gt; *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* &lt;br /&gt; &gt; ~ Special Xmas offer for rasners &amp; DeadHeads: &#160;100% Kona Coffee ~ &lt;br /&gt; &gt; * &#160; &#160; $20/lb @ my cost plus $3.20 U.S. Priority Mail Shipping &#160; * &lt;br /&gt; &gt; ~($1.10/adlb) &#039;Til Dec 21st for Xmas delivery email me 4 details~ &lt;br /&gt; &gt; *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>person, but now with six of us flying from <br /> 
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<p>&gt; Hawai`i, It&#8217;s cheaper to spend $1,958 for an RV on the back stretch. <br /> &gt; Aloha, Henry <br /> &gt; *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* <br /> &gt; ~ Special Xmas offer for rasners &amp; DeadHeads: &nbsp;100% Kona Coffee ~ <br /> &gt; * &nbsp; &nbsp; $20/lb @ my cost plus $3.20 U.S. Priority Mail Shipping &nbsp; * <br /> &gt; ~($1.10/adlb) &#8216;Til Dec 21st for Xmas delivery email me 4 details~ <br /> &gt; *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt;Subject: The latest dirty trick &lt;br /&gt; &gt;From: Bob Paxton paxto...@popmail.firn.edu &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Date: Thu, 16 December 1999 06:41 PM EST &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Message-id: &lt;83b8q5$8i...@nnrp1.deja.com&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;It looks like the Homestead track is pioneering a new way to screw the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;fans. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;They are dividing their customers into two groups--those who buy Truck &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Series and Cup/Busch tickets in equal quantities and those who don&#039;t. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;The entire first group is processed/upgraded before any orders from the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;second group are processed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;So, if you had pretty good seats for the Cup race this year and want to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;keep them, you are forced to buy the CTS tickets or they&#039;ll be used as &lt;br /&gt; &gt;upgrades before your renewal is processed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;It&#039;s bad enough that you still have to buy the Busch race to get a Cup &lt;br /&gt; &gt;ticket for the same weekend, but now they&#039;re making you buy the truck &lt;br /&gt; &gt;race (February) to hang onto good seats for the Cup race (November). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;industry standard..... :( &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;This and the &quot;no cooler&quot; rule are two good reasons I&#039;ll never show my &lt;br /&gt; &gt;face at that track. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Seems like its becoming a common thing to do for CTS/BGN events; &#160;NHIS &lt;br /&gt; instituted a similar thing that got the goat of a friend of mine down in &lt;br /&gt; Jersey.He&#039;ll be spending his bucks at Stfford Motor Speedway and New Thompson &lt;br /&gt; Speedway instead of up there, instead. &#160;He and I are both kind of angered the &lt;br /&gt; the Modified race is a stand alone on Friday of that weekend and that BNS and &lt;br /&gt; CTS will be run together. &#160;My suspicions are that NASCAR&#039;s going all out to &lt;br /&gt; subtly kill off the Modifieds as a viable series. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Rich &lt;br /&gt; (Fixed my .sig for ya Marty :) &lt;br /&gt; Rich Bemben &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &lt;br /&gt; Rbemb...@aol.com &lt;br /&gt; Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil but DO fear the evil good men do &lt;br /&gt; in the name of good. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt;Subject: The latest dirty trick <br /> &gt;From: Bob Paxton <a href="mailto:paxto...@popmail.firn.edu">paxto&#8230;@popmail.firn.edu</a> <br /> &gt;Date: Thu, 16 December 1999 06:41 PM EST <br /> &gt;Message-id: &lt;83b8q5$8i&#8230;@nnrp1.deja.com&gt; <br /> 
<p>&gt;It looks like the Homestead track is pioneering a new way to screw the <br /> &gt;fans.  </p>
<p>&gt;They are dividing their customers into two groups&#8211;those who buy Truck <br /> &gt;Series and Cup/Busch tickets in equal quantities and those who don&#8217;t. <br /> &gt;The entire first group is processed/upgraded before any orders from the <br /> &gt;second group are processed.  </p>
<p>&gt;So, if you had pretty good seats for the Cup race this year and want to <br /> &gt;keep them, you are forced to buy the CTS tickets or they&#8217;ll be used as <br /> &gt;upgrades before your renewal is processed.  </p>
<p>&gt;It&#8217;s bad enough that you still have to buy the Busch race to get a Cup <br /> &gt;ticket for the same weekend, but now they&#8217;re making you buy the truck <br /> &gt;race (February) to hang onto good seats for the Cup race (November).  </p>
<p>&gt;Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the <br /> &gt;industry standard&#8230;.. <img src='http://www.nascarracingclub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>&gt;This and the &quot;no cooler&quot; rule are two good reasons I&#8217;ll never show my <br /> &gt;face at that track. </p>
<p>Seems like its becoming a common thing to do for CTS/BGN events; &nbsp;NHIS <br /> instituted a similar thing that got the goat of a friend of mine down in <br /> Jersey.He&#8217;ll be spending his bucks at Stfford Motor Speedway and New Thompson <br /> Speedway instead of up there, instead. &nbsp;He and I are both kind of angered the <br /> the Modified race is a stand alone on Friday of that weekend and that BNS and <br /> CTS will be run together. &nbsp;My suspicions are that NASCAR&#8217;s going all out to <br /> subtly kill off the Modifieds as a viable series.  </p>
<p>Rich <br /> (Fixed my .sig for ya Marty <img src='http://www.nascarracingclub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <br /> Rich Bemben &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br /> <a href="mailto:Rbemb...@aol.com">Rbemb&#8230;@aol.com</a> <br /> Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil but DO fear the evil good men do <br /> in the name of good. </p>
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  Rbemben1 &lt;rbemb...@aol.com&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;:&gt;Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the &lt;br /&gt; :&gt;industry standard..... :( &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;It already is, I&#039;m being forced to buy *cough*yuck*Spew*CART tickets to &lt;br /&gt; get good seats at Fontana for the Cup race. After a lot of people &lt;br /&gt; complained thhat their So Called season tickets were NOT season tickets &lt;br /&gt; because they didn&#039;t include the Busch race, they offered an Ultra season &lt;br /&gt; ticket. Now, you have to buy CART and CTS Plus the Busch race tix to get &lt;br /&gt; the best Cup seats. &lt;br /&gt; It was bad enough for me as one person, but now with six of us flying from &lt;br /&gt; Hawai`i, It&#039;s cheaper to spend $1,958 for an RV on the back stretch. &lt;br /&gt; Aloha, Henry &lt;br /&gt; *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* &lt;br /&gt; ~ Special Xmas offer for rasners &amp; DeadHeads: &#160;100% Kona Coffee ~ &lt;br /&gt; * &#160; &#160; $20/lb @ my cost plus $3.20 U.S. Priority Mail Shipping &#160; * &lt;br /&gt; ~($1.10/adlb) &#039;Til Dec 21st for Xmas delivery email me 4 details~ &lt;br /&gt; *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>:&gt;Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the <br /> :&gt;industry standard&#8230;.. <img src='http://www.nascarracingclub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  <br /> 
<p>It already is, I&#8217;m being forced to buy *cough*yuck*Spew*CART tickets to <br /> get good seats at Fontana for the Cup race. After a lot of people <br /> complained thhat their So Called season tickets were NOT season tickets <br /> because they didn&#8217;t include the Busch race, they offered an Ultra season <br /> ticket. Now, you have to buy CART and CTS Plus the Busch race tix to get <br /> the best Cup seats. <br /> It was bad enough for me as one person, but now with six of us flying from <br /> Hawai`i, It&#8217;s cheaper to spend $1,958 for an RV on the back stretch. <br /> Aloha, Henry <br /> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* <br /> ~ Special Xmas offer for rasners &amp; DeadHeads: &nbsp;100% Kona Coffee ~ <br /> * &nbsp; &nbsp; $20/lb @ my cost plus $3.20 U.S. Priority Mail Shipping &nbsp; * <br /> ~($1.10/adlb) &#8216;Til Dec 21st for Xmas delivery email me 4 details~ <br /> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;Bob Paxton wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; It looks like the Homestead track is pioneering a new way to screw the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; fans. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; They are dividing their customers into two groups--those who buy Truck &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Series and Cup/Busch tickets in equal quantities and those who don&#039;t. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; The entire first group is processed/upgraded before any orders from the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; second group are processed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; So, if you had pretty good seats for the Cup race this year and want to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; keep them, you are forced to buy the CTS tickets or they&#039;ll be used as &lt;br /&gt; &gt; upgrades before your renewal is processed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; It&#039;s bad enough that you still have to buy the Busch race to get a Cup &lt;br /&gt; &gt; ticket for the same weekend, but now they&#039;re making you buy the truck &lt;br /&gt; &gt; race (February) to hang onto good seats for the Cup race (November). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; industry standard..... :( &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; This and the &quot;no cooler&quot; rule are two good reasons I&#039;ll never show my &lt;br /&gt; &gt; face at that track. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; They must be assuming that there are plenty of people who will do &lt;br /&gt; whatever it takes to see a race. I don&#039;t quite fall into that category. &lt;br /&gt; And since Homestead is not exactly right down the street from most of &lt;br /&gt; the country, I wonder how long they can pull it off. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; &gt; * Bob Paxton &#160; &#160; &#160; Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati &#160;* &lt;br /&gt; &gt; * paxto...@popmail.firn.edu &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;* &lt;br /&gt; &gt; * http://www.nefec.org/bobp &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;* &lt;br /&gt; &gt; * FIGHT SPAM! &#160;JOIN CAUCE &#160;http://www.cauce.org &#160;* &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Before you buy. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; It looks like the Homestead track is pioneering a new way to screw the <br /> &gt; fans.  </p>
<p>&gt; They are dividing their customers into two groups&#8211;those who buy Truck <br /> &gt; Series and Cup/Busch tickets in equal quantities and those who don&#8217;t. <br /> &gt; The entire first group is processed/upgraded before any orders from the <br /> &gt; second group are processed.  </p>
<p>&gt; So, if you had pretty good seats for the Cup race this year and want to <br /> &gt; keep them, you are forced to buy the CTS tickets or they&#8217;ll be used as <br /> &gt; upgrades before your renewal is processed.  </p>
<p>&gt; It&#8217;s bad enough that you still have to buy the Busch race to get a Cup <br /> &gt; ticket for the same weekend, but now they&#8217;re making you buy the truck <br /> &gt; race (February) to hang onto good seats for the Cup race (November).  </p>
<p>&gt; Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the <br /> &gt; industry standard&#8230;.. <img src='http://www.nascarracingclub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>&gt; This and the &quot;no cooler&quot; rule are two good reasons I&#8217;ll never show my <br /> &gt; face at that track. </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; They must be assuming that there are plenty of people who will do <br /> whatever it takes to see a race. I don&#8217;t quite fall into that category. <br /> And since Homestead is not exactly right down the street from most of <br /> the country, I wonder how long they can pull it off.  </p>
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<p>&gt; &#8212; <br /> &gt; * Bob Paxton &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati &nbsp;* <br /> &gt; * <a href="mailto:paxto...@popmail.firn.edu">paxto&#8230;@popmail.firn.edu</a> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br /> &gt; * <a href="http://www.nefec.org/bobp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nefec.org/bobp</a> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;* <br /> &gt; * FIGHT SPAM! &nbsp;JOIN CAUCE &nbsp;http://www.cauce.org &nbsp;*  </p>
<p>&gt; Sent via Deja.com <a href="http://www.deja.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.deja.com/</a> <br /> &gt; Before you buy. </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;Bob Paxton wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; It looks like the Homestead track is pioneering a new way to screw the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; fans. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; They are dividing their customers into two groups--those who buy Truck &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Series and Cup/Busch tickets in equal quantities and those who don&#039;t. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; The entire first group is processed/upgraded before any orders from the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; second group are processed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; So, if you had pretty good seats for the Cup race this year and want to &lt;br /&gt; &gt; keep them, you are forced to buy the CTS tickets or they&#039;ll be used as &lt;br /&gt; &gt; upgrades before your renewal is processed. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; It&#039;s bad enough that you still have to buy the Busch race to get a Cup &lt;br /&gt; &gt; ticket for the same weekend, but now they&#039;re making you buy the truck &lt;br /&gt; &gt; race (February) to hang onto good seats for the Cup race (November). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; industry standard..... :( &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; This and the &quot;no cooler&quot; rule are two good reasons I&#039;ll never show my &lt;br /&gt; &gt; face at that track. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Let&#039;s not leave out the part about how they screwed the handicaped fans &lt;br /&gt; by refusing them access to the special parking areas forcing those in &lt;br /&gt; wheelchairs to get across gravel parking lots.I hope someone sues the &lt;br /&gt; living **** out of them for that. I had originaly planned on attending &lt;br /&gt; the debut Cup weekend but after getting some bad reports about the place &lt;br /&gt; I decided against it. Looks like I made the right descison. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>Bob Paxton wrote: <br /> 
<p>&gt; It looks like the Homestead track is pioneering a new way to screw the <br /> &gt; fans.  </p>
<p>&gt; They are dividing their customers into two groups&#8211;those who buy Truck <br /> &gt; Series and Cup/Busch tickets in equal quantities and those who don&#8217;t. <br /> &gt; The entire first group is processed/upgraded before any orders from the <br /> &gt; second group are processed.  </p>
<p>&gt; So, if you had pretty good seats for the Cup race this year and want to <br /> &gt; keep them, you are forced to buy the CTS tickets or they&#8217;ll be used as <br /> &gt; upgrades before your renewal is processed.  </p>
<p>&gt; It&#8217;s bad enough that you still have to buy the Busch race to get a Cup <br /> &gt; ticket for the same weekend, but now they&#8217;re making you buy the truck <br /> &gt; race (February) to hang onto good seats for the Cup race (November).  </p>
<p>&gt; Wonder how long it will take for this disgusting practice to become the <br /> &gt; industry standard&#8230;.. <img src='http://www.nascarracingclub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>&gt; This and the &quot;no cooler&quot; rule are two good reasons I&#8217;ll never show my <br /> &gt; face at that track. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not leave out the part about how they screwed the handicaped fans <br /> by refusing them access to the special parking areas forcing those in <br /> wheelchairs to get across gravel parking lots.I hope someone sues the <br /> living **** out of them for that. I had originaly planned on attending <br /> the debut Cup weekend but after getting some bad reports about the place <br /> I decided against it. Looks like I made the right descison. </p>
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