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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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  &quot;Martin X. Moleski, SJ&quot; &lt;mole...@canisius.edu&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; news:13gsab4najm40f4@news.supernews.com... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; Good article. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; It concludes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &quot;So the next time you wonder why a corporation writes a big check to paste &lt;br /&gt; &gt; its name on the side of an 800-horsepower billboard, remember this: the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; corporations write the checks to get their products in front of an &lt;br /&gt; &gt; energized, intensely loyal and committed fan base, then work within that &lt;br /&gt; &gt; fan base to build stronger business trends and increase market share. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &quot;It&#039;s really that simple.&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I think the analysis is consistent with the view I took. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I agree that it goes beyond making the show. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Marty &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I would argue that the fan base is not as &quot;energized, intensely loyal and &lt;br /&gt; committed&quot; as it was in the past. &#160;Look at the demographics from say, ten &lt;br /&gt; years ago, to what it is today. &#160;Historically, the fan base has indeed &lt;br /&gt; embodied all of the adjectives (adverbs, whatever!!) and more. &#160;Sometime in &lt;br /&gt; the last five years, the suits in Daytona decided to broaden the &lt;br /&gt; demographic. &#160;So where do they go? &#160;A younger, hip audience. &#160;In doing so, I &lt;br /&gt; would venture to say that some of the old guard fan base is slowly eroding. &lt;br /&gt; I know I don&#039;t watch as much as I did. &#160;Why? &#160;Well, the races aren&#039;t as &lt;br /&gt; exciting as they once were. &#160;And the television production is less than &lt;br /&gt; stellar. &#160;I haven&#039;t listened to MRN this year so I don&#039;t know what&#039;s &lt;br /&gt; happening on the radio side. &#160;In the past, I have always thought the MRN &lt;br /&gt; productions were top-notch. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Will the old guard fan base stick around? &#160;Don&#039;t know. &#160;I do know that the &lt;br /&gt; younger, 18-25 demographic is VERY fickle. &#160;Yes, they spend a large portion &lt;br /&gt; of their disposable income. &#160;So it&#039;s a profitable demographic. &#160;The problem &lt;br /&gt; is their attention span is something approaching zero. &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; Gotta Go...FAST! &lt;br /&gt; Bill &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; Good article. <br /> 
<p>&gt; It concludes:  </p>
<p>&gt; &quot;So the next time you wonder why a corporation writes a big check to paste <br /> &gt; its name on the side of an 800-horsepower billboard, remember this: the <br /> &gt; corporations write the checks to get their products in front of an <br /> &gt; energized, intensely loyal and committed fan base, then work within that <br /> &gt; fan base to build stronger business trends and increase market share.  </p>
<p>&gt; &quot;It&#8217;s really that simple.&quot;  </p>
<p>&gt; I think the analysis is consistent with the view I took.  </p>
<p>&gt; I agree that it goes beyond making the show.  </p>
<p>&gt; Marty </p>
<p>I would argue that the fan base is not as &quot;energized, intensely loyal and <br /> committed&quot; as it was in the past. &nbsp;Look at the demographics from say, ten <br /> years ago, to what it is today. &nbsp;Historically, the fan base has indeed <br /> embodied all of the adjectives (adverbs, whatever!!) and more. &nbsp;Sometime in <br /> the last five years, the suits in Daytona decided to broaden the <br /> demographic. &nbsp;So where do they go? &nbsp;A younger, hip audience. &nbsp;In doing so, I <br /> would venture to say that some of the old guard fan base is slowly eroding. <br /> I know I don&#8217;t watch as much as I did. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Well, the races aren&#8217;t as <br /> exciting as they once were. &nbsp;And the television production is less than <br /> stellar. &nbsp;I haven&#8217;t listened to MRN this year so I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s <br /> happening on the radio side. &nbsp;In the past, I have always thought the MRN <br /> productions were top-notch.  </p>
<p>Will the old guard fan base stick around? &nbsp;Don&#8217;t know. &nbsp;I do know that the <br /> younger, 18-25 demographic is VERY fickle. &nbsp;Yes, they spend a large portion <br /> of their disposable income. &nbsp;So it&#8217;s a profitable demographic. &nbsp;The problem <br /> is their attention span is something approaching zero. <br /> &#8212; <br /> Gotta Go&#8230;FAST! <br /> Bill </p>
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  Why not re-institute the second round qualifying for anyone out of the top &lt;br /&gt; 25 &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:25:35 CST, chuck_st...@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote in &lt;6XePi.4127$ai2.1412@trndny05&gt;: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;In article mole...@canisius.edu wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;2. Sponsors have to feel that their investment is &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;worthwhile. &#160;Businesses are risk takers, but only &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;within limits. &#160;Money makes the cars go &#039;round. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;Sponsorship money matters to every team and to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;NASCAR as a whole. &#160;The more predictable it is that &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;your team will make the show, the more money the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;contract is worth. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;There are a lot of misconceptions about sponsorship &lt;br /&gt; &gt;motivation... &lt;br /&gt; &gt;this is an interesting article, that I saved from a few years ago.. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Good article. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It concludes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;So the next time you wonder why a corporation writes a big check to paste &lt;br /&gt; its name on the side of an 800-horsepower billboard, remember this: the &lt;br /&gt; corporations write the checks to get their products in front of an &lt;br /&gt; energized, intensely loyal and committed fan base, then work within that &lt;br /&gt; fan base to build stronger business trends and increase market share. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;It&#039;s really that simple.&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think the analysis is consistent with the view I took. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree that it goes beyond making the show. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Marty &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* &lt;br /&gt; See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt;In article <a href="mailto:mole...@canisius.edu">mole&#8230;@canisius.edu</a> wrote: <br /> &gt;&gt;2. Sponsors have to feel that their investment is <br /> &gt;&gt;worthwhile. &nbsp;Businesses are risk takers, but only <br /> &gt;&gt;within limits. &nbsp;Money makes the cars go &#8217;round. <br /> &gt;&gt;Sponsorship money matters to every team and to <br /> &gt;&gt;NASCAR as a whole. &nbsp;The more predictable it is that <br /> &gt;&gt;your team will make the show, the more money the <br /> &gt;&gt;contract is worth. <br /> &gt;There are a lot of misconceptions about sponsorship <br /> &gt;motivation&#8230; <br /> &gt;this is an interesting article, that I saved from a few years ago.. <br /> &gt;<a href="http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html</a> </p>
<p>Good article. &nbsp;  </p>
<p>It concludes:  </p>
<p>&quot;So the next time you wonder why a corporation writes a big check to paste <br /> its name on the side of an 800-horsepower billboard, remember this: the <br /> corporations write the checks to get their products in front of an <br /> energized, intensely loyal and committed fan base, then work within that <br /> fan base to build stronger business trends and increase market share.  </p>
<p>&quot;It&#8217;s really that simple.&quot;  </p>
<p>I think the analysis is consistent with the view I took.  </p>
<p>I agree that it goes beyond making the show.  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Marty <br /> &#8212; <br /> Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* <br /> See <a href="http://www.big-8.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.big-8.org</a> for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. </p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article mole...@canisius.edu wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;2. Sponsors have to feel that their investment is &lt;br /&gt; &gt;worthwhile. &#160;Businesses are risk takers, but only &lt;br /&gt; &gt;within limits. &#160;Money makes the cars go &#039;round. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Sponsorship money matters to every team and to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;NASCAR as a whole. &#160;The more predictable it is that &lt;br /&gt; &gt;your team will make the show, the more money the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;contract is worth. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;There are a lot of misconceptions about sponsorship &lt;br /&gt; motivation... &lt;br /&gt; this is an interesting article, that I saved from a few years ago.. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dan &lt;br /&gt; **************************************** &lt;br /&gt; Before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes. &lt;br /&gt; Then, when you do criticize them, &lt;br /&gt; you&#039;ll be a mile away... and have their shoes... &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>There are a lot of misconceptions about sponsorship <br /> motivation&#8230; <br /> this is an interesting article, that I saved from a few years ago..  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html</a>  </p>
<p>Dan <br /> **************************************** <br /> Before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes. <br /> Then, when you do criticize them, <br /> you&#8217;ll be a mile away&#8230; and have their shoes&#8230; </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;&quot;Chuck Steak&quot; &lt;chuck_st...@nospam.com&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:6XePi.4127$ai2.1412@trndny05... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; There are a lot of misconceptions about sponsorship &lt;br /&gt; &gt; motivation... &lt;br /&gt; &gt; this is an interesting article, that I saved from a few years ago.. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;To throw a twist into this whole thing... I wonder how much the new &lt;br /&gt; demographic of the NASCAR fan has affected this characteristic of loyalty. &lt;br /&gt; As NASCAR continues to woo new audiences and new regions of the country, it &lt;br /&gt; strikes me that they march further from that fan base that could be counted &lt;br /&gt; on for loyalty. &#160;My personal prediction is that sooner rather than later, &lt;br /&gt; marketeers will discover (or decide) that the loyalty chip has become more &lt;br /&gt; hype, based on what used to be, than it is reality. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-Mike- &lt;br /&gt; mmarlowREM...@alltel.net &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; There are a lot of misconceptions about sponsorship <br /> &gt; motivation&#8230; <br /> &gt; this is an interesting article, that I saved from a few years ago..  </p>
<p>&gt; <a href="http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/business/07/07/sponsor_nascar/index.html</a> </p>
<p>To throw a twist into this whole thing&#8230; I wonder how much the new <br /> demographic of the NASCAR fan has affected this characteristic of loyalty. <br /> As NASCAR continues to woo new audiences and new regions of the country, it <br /> strikes me that they march further from that fan base that could be counted <br /> on for loyalty. &nbsp;My personal prediction is that sooner rather than later, <br /> marketeers will discover (or decide) that the loyalty chip has become more <br /> hype, based on what used to be, than it is reality.  </p>
<p>&#8211;  </p>
<p>-Mike- <br /> <a href="mailto:mmarlowREM...@alltel.net">mmarlowREM&#8230;@alltel.net</a> </p>
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  Don&#039;t forget, a lot of sponsorship deals are such &lt;br /&gt; that if you do not make a race, you do not get the moolah.. &lt;br /&gt; (pro rated, or agreed upon fixed amount). &lt;br /&gt; So the sponsor isn&#039;t out as much as you think.. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;If that is the deal the 55 has, I figure he owes THEM money..... &lt;br /&gt; (kidding) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dan &lt;br /&gt; **************************************** &lt;br /&gt; Before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes. &lt;br /&gt; Then, when you do criticize them, &lt;br /&gt; you&#039;ll be a mile away... and have their shoes... &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>If that is the deal the 55 has, I figure he owes THEM money&#8230;.. <br /> (kidding)  </p>
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  On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:02:09 CST, chuck_st...@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote in &lt;UbaPi.6202$9r2.540@trndny04&gt;: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;Don&#039;t forget, a lot of sponsorship deals are such &lt;br /&gt; &gt;that if you do not make a race, you do not get the moolah.. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;(pro rated, or agreed upon fixed amount). &lt;br /&gt; &gt;So the sponsor isn&#039;t out as much as you think.. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;If that is the deal the 55 has, I figure he owes THEM money..... &lt;br /&gt; &gt;(kidding) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;MW Racing may be doing a lot of deficit spending--no kidding &lt;br /&gt; at all. &#160;I doubt that they never budgeted for the kind of &lt;br /&gt; problems they&#039;ve faced this year. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;NASCAR has to keep a balance between competing interests &lt;br /&gt; (pun intended; you may laugh now): &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1. The racing has to be real racing. &#160;NASCAR is one of the &lt;br /&gt; oldest forms of &quot;reality TV.&quot; &#160;If you script the outcome &lt;br /&gt; of the races, the audience will diminish. &#160;(Don&#039;t tell &lt;br /&gt; me about World Wrestling. &#160;I don&#039;t understand why that &lt;br /&gt; is still on the air!) &#160;Finishes MUST be unpredictable. &lt;br /&gt; As they say on the commercials, &quot;Every lap counts.&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2. Sponsors have to feel that their investment is &lt;br /&gt; worthwhile. &#160;Businesses are risk takers, but only &lt;br /&gt; within limits. &#160;Money makes the cars go &#039;round. &lt;br /&gt; Sponsorship money matters to every team and to &lt;br /&gt; NASCAR as a whole. &#160;The more predictable it is that &lt;br /&gt; your team will make the show, the more money the &lt;br /&gt; contract is worth. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I got to go to Watkins Glen once courtesy of Square D. &lt;br /&gt; The #55 car was driven by Bobby Hamilton, Sr. &#160;It &lt;br /&gt; was a thrill to listen to him talk to the folks in the &lt;br /&gt; Square D hospitality tent and to look at his show car. &lt;br /&gt; I can&#039;t imagine what a disappointment it would have &lt;br /&gt; been for the folks at Square D if he hadn&#039;t made the &lt;br /&gt; show. &#160;The arrangements for the tent, the food, and &lt;br /&gt; the entertainment have to be made in advance. &#160;The &lt;br /&gt; people making the arrangements and paying for them &lt;br /&gt; in advance have got to have a reasonable expectation &lt;br /&gt; that the investment will pay off. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t know where Bobby finished that day. &#160;That &lt;br /&gt; memory has faded. &#160;The images of him taking questions &lt;br /&gt; from fans have not. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Marty &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* &lt;br /&gt; See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt;Don&#8217;t forget, a lot of sponsorship deals are such <br /> &gt;that if you do not make a race, you do not get the moolah.. <br /> &gt;(pro rated, or agreed upon fixed amount). <br /> &gt;So the sponsor isn&#8217;t out as much as you think.. <br /> &gt;If that is the deal the 55 has, I figure he owes THEM money&#8230;.. <br /> &gt;(kidding) </p>
<p>MW Racing may be doing a lot of deficit spending&#8211;no kidding <br /> at all. &nbsp;I doubt that they never budgeted for the kind of <br /> problems they&#8217;ve faced this year.  </p>
<p>NASCAR has to keep a balance between competing interests <br /> (pun intended; you may laugh now):  </p>
<p>1. The racing has to be real racing. &nbsp;NASCAR is one of the <br /> oldest forms of &quot;reality TV.&quot; &nbsp;If you script the outcome <br /> of the races, the audience will diminish. &nbsp;(Don&#8217;t tell <br /> me about World Wrestling. &nbsp;I don&#8217;t understand why that <br /> is still on the air!) &nbsp;Finishes MUST be unpredictable. <br /> As they say on the commercials, &quot;Every lap counts.&quot;  </p>
<p>2. Sponsors have to feel that their investment is <br /> worthwhile. &nbsp;Businesses are risk takers, but only <br /> within limits. &nbsp;Money makes the cars go &#8217;round. <br /> Sponsorship money matters to every team and to <br /> NASCAR as a whole. &nbsp;The more predictable it is that <br /> your team will make the show, the more money the <br /> contract is worth.  </p>
<p>I got to go to Watkins Glen once courtesy of Square D. <br /> The #55 car was driven by Bobby Hamilton, Sr. &nbsp;It <br /> was a thrill to listen to him talk to the folks in the <br /> Square D hospitality tent and to look at his show car. <br /> I can&#8217;t imagine what a disappointment it would have <br /> been for the folks at Square D if he hadn&#8217;t made the <br /> show. &nbsp;The arrangements for the tent, the food, and <br /> the entertainment have to be made in advance. &nbsp;The <br /> people making the arrangements and paying for them <br /> in advance have got to have a reasonable expectation <br /> that the investment will pay off.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where Bobby finished that day. &nbsp;That <br /> memory has faded. &nbsp;The images of him taking questions <br /> from fans have not.  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Marty <br /> &#8212; <br /> Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* <br /> See <a href="http://www.big-8.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.big-8.org</a> for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;Nancy2 wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Y&#039;all are forgetting big sponsor dollars. &#160;They won&#039;t stand for their &lt;br /&gt; &gt; driver not being on TeeVee. &#160;Home Depot, Lowe&#039;s, Dupont, Texaco, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; whatever.... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;And NAPA, UPS, Dominos, Valvoline, Quaker State, Red Bull, Catepillar &lt;br /&gt; are companies that pay big sponsor dollars to stay off of TeeVee? &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>And NAPA, UPS, Dominos, Valvoline, Quaker State, Red Bull, Catepillar <br /> are companies that pay big sponsor dollars to stay off of TeeVee? </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;&quot;Nancy2&quot; &lt;nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:1191958338.703280.309470@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; On Oct 9, 1:59 pm, &quot;Mike Marlow&quot; &lt;mmarlowREM...@alltel.net&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Nancy2&quot; &lt;nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; news:1191948189.972672.304080@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Y&#039;all are forgetting big sponsor dollars. &#160;They won&#039;t stand for their &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; driver not being on TeeVee. &#160;Home Depot, Lowe&#039;s, Dupont, Texaco, &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; whatever.... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; I hate it when this comes up. &#160;Sponsors don&#039;t dictate rules. &#160;If their &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; teams &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; aren&#039;t qualifying, there will be talks between the sponsors and the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; teams. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; The fact of the matter though is that the big sponsors sponsor teams that &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; qualify in every week. &#160;It&#039;s not a sponsor issue. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; -Mike- &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; mmarlowREM...@alltel.net &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Isn&#039;t it a sponsor issue if, say, Junior fails to qualify for, say, 3 &lt;br /&gt; &gt; races in a row (for whatever reason) and then isn&#039;t driving the Bud &lt;br /&gt; &gt; billboard around on the track, and then the sponsor says, &quot;I give up, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; I&#039;m going with another team,&quot; so the non-Q team loses their sponsor &lt;br /&gt; &gt; money? &#160;I don&#039;t see how it isn&#039;t a sponsor issue, to some degree.... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Well, that would be as I stated, correct? &#160;An issue between the team and the &lt;br /&gt; sponsor, not between NASCAR and the sponsor. &#160;For a more relevant example &lt;br /&gt; see Michael Waltrip. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-Mike- &lt;br /&gt; mmarlowREM...@alltel.net &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; On Oct 9, 1:59 pm, &quot;Mike Marlow&quot; &lt;mmarlowREM&#8230;@alltel.net&gt; wrote: <br /> &gt;&gt; &quot;Nancy2&quot; &lt;nancy-doo&#8230;@uiowa.edu&gt; wrote in message <br /> 
<p>&gt;&gt; news:1191948189.972672.304080@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com&#8230;  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &gt; Y&#8217;all are forgetting big sponsor dollars. &nbsp;They won&#8217;t stand for their <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; driver not being on TeeVee. &nbsp;Home Depot, Lowe&#8217;s, Dupont, Texaco, <br /> &gt;&gt; &gt; whatever&#8230;.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; I hate it when this comes up. &nbsp;Sponsors don&#8217;t dictate rules. &nbsp;If their <br /> &gt;&gt; teams <br /> &gt;&gt; aren&#8217;t qualifying, there will be talks between the sponsors and the <br /> &gt;&gt; teams. <br /> &gt;&gt; The fact of the matter though is that the big sponsors sponsor teams that <br /> &gt;&gt; qualify in every week. &nbsp;It&#8217;s not a sponsor issue.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; &#8212;  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; -Mike- <br /> &gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:mmarlowREM...@alltel.net">mmarlowREM&#8230;@alltel.net</a>  </p>
<p>&gt; Isn&#8217;t it a sponsor issue if, say, Junior fails to qualify for, say, 3 <br /> &gt; races in a row (for whatever reason) and then isn&#8217;t driving the Bud <br /> &gt; billboard around on the track, and then the sponsor says, &quot;I give up, <br /> &gt; I&#8217;m going with another team,&quot; so the non-Q team loses their sponsor <br /> &gt; money? &nbsp;I don&#8217;t see how it isn&#8217;t a sponsor issue, to some degree&#8230;. </p>
<p>Well, that would be as I stated, correct? &nbsp;An issue between the team and the <br /> sponsor, not between NASCAR and the sponsor. &nbsp;For a more relevant example <br /> see Michael Waltrip.  </p>
<p>&#8211;  </p>
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  Nancy2 &lt;nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu&gt; wrote in &lt;br /&gt; news:1191948189.972672.304080@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; Y&#039;all are forgetting big sponsor dollars. &#160;They won&#039;t stand for their &lt;br /&gt; &gt; driver not being on TeeVee. &#160;Home Depot, Lowe&#039;s, Dupont, Texaco, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; whatever.... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s a valid complaint. &#160;NAPA &amp; UPS don&#039;t seem to be &lt;br /&gt; overly bothered by missing a bunch of races. &#160;I think any of the &lt;br /&gt; big guys could stand missing a race, maybe even 2, in the season &lt;br /&gt; without _too_ much distress. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;John &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; Y&#8217;all are forgetting big sponsor dollars. &nbsp;They won&#8217;t stand for their <br /> &gt; driver not being on TeeVee. &nbsp;Home Depot, Lowe&#8217;s, Dupont, Texaco, <br /> &gt; whatever&#8230;. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s a valid complaint. &nbsp;NAPA &amp; UPS don&#8217;t seem to be <br /> overly bothered by missing a bunch of races. &nbsp;I think any of the <br /> big guys could stand missing a race, maybe even 2, in the season <br /> without _too_ much distress.  </p>
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