Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging spending
big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought to tear
up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high banking.
One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as the last
race their with no lead changes.
Bill
I tend to agree with you on this one. But, I’d go a little farther. I’d make
it a 1/2 mile track, with about 36 degree banking. Then I’d build stands all
the way around the thing at a steep angle where you could see no matter where
you were sitting. Wait……thats BRISTOL!!
It kills me to see them build all these flat tracks and not build more like the
best one on the circuit. Of course you can’t run Indy cars on a track like
Bristol and thats why they build them flat. One more race date means more
money. Even if they cant even fill the front stretch. (See Atlanta).
Sam/RCR3FAN
Bill Mulrooney wrote:
> Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging spending
> big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought to tear
> up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high banking.
> One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as the last
> race their with no lead changes.
> Bill
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The statistics show that in two years there has been only one green flag lead
change and if you want to go back even further the ratio does get better but not by
much. Face it. It’s a one groove track at those speeds. Possibly to create more
competitive racing is to raise the banking anywhere between 15-20 maintaining the 1
mile size. That would give the drivers something to work with.
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"Sam (RCR3FAN)" wrote:
> I tend to agree with you on this one. But, I’d go a little farther. I’d make
> it a 1/2 mile track, with about 36 degree banking. Then I’d build stands all
> the way around the thing at a steep angle where you could see no matter where
> you were sitting. Wait……thats BRISTOL!!
> It kills me to see them build all these flat tracks and not build more like the
> best one on the circuit. Of course you can’t run Indy cars on a track like
> Bristol and thats why they build them flat. One more race date means more
> money. Even if they cant even fill the front stretch. (See Atlanta).
> Sam/RCR3FAN
> Bill Mulrooney wrote:
> > Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging spending
> > big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought to tear
> > up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high banking.
> > One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as the last
> > race their with no lead changes.
> > Bill
> —
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Dittos for Homestead. Of course that track was built for the open wheelers
too. I have thought they should move the open wheelers to the road course
(most of which can be seen from the stands) and put more bank in the corners
of the oval to make the "stocks" more exciting. But now that the CART folks
have checked out and IRL won’t run a road course, I don’t think that will
happen.
Sometimes I wonder what they think (or don’t think) at ISC!
"Draft" <Dr…@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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> The statistics show that in two years there has been only one green flag
lead
> change and if you want to go back even further the ratio does get better
but not by
> much. Face it. It’s a one groove track at those speeds. Possibly to create
more
> competitive racing is to raise the banking anywhere between 15-20
maintaining the 1
> mile size. That would give the drivers something to work with.
> "Sam (RCR3FAN)" wrote:
> > I tend to agree with you on this one. But, I’d go a little farther.
I’d make
> > it a 1/2 mile track, with about 36 degree banking. Then I’d build
stands all
> > the way around the thing at a steep angle where you could see no matter
where
> > you were sitting. Wait……thats BRISTOL!!
> > It kills me to see them build all these flat tracks and not build more
like the
> > best one on the circuit. Of course you can’t run Indy cars on a track
like
> > Bristol and thats why they build them flat. One more race date means
more
> > money. Even if they cant even fill the front stretch. (See Atlanta).
> > Sam/RCR3FAN
> > Bill Mulrooney wrote:
> > > Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging
spending
> > > big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought to
tear
> > > up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high banking.
> > > One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as the
last
> > > race their with no lead changes.
> > > Bill
> > —
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You should have seen Homestead when that 1st opened. It was designed by
Emmerson Fitipaldi(?), need I say more. Four corners with no banking. They
redid the corners, but its still lousy. Back stretch at Homestead is some 15
feet higher then the front stretch, so it was not that easy to fix, and they
did not.
Bill
"DollarBill" <nospambillg…@nospamterranova.net> wrote in message
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> Dittos for Homestead. Of course that track was built for the open
wheelers
> too. I have thought they should move the open wheelers to the road course
> (most of which can be seen from the stands) and put more bank in the
corners
> of the oval to make the "stocks" more exciting. But now that the CART
folks
> have checked out and IRL won’t run a road course, I don’t think that will
> happen.
> Sometimes I wonder what they think (or don’t think) at ISC!
> "Draft" <Dr…@bestweb.net> wrote in message
> news:3B5D68E7.7EEDB254@bestweb.net…
> > The statistics show that in two years there has been only one green flag
> lead
> > change and if you want to go back even further the ratio does get better
> but not by
> > much. Face it. It’s a one groove track at those speeds. Possibly to
create
> more
> > competitive racing is to raise the banking anywhere between 15-20
> maintaining the 1
> > mile size. That would give the drivers something to work with.
> > "Sam (RCR3FAN)" wrote:
> > > I tend to agree with you on this one. But, I’d go a little farther.
> I’d make
> > > it a 1/2 mile track, with about 36 degree banking. Then I’d build
> stands all
> > > the way around the thing at a steep angle where you could see no
matter
> where
> > > you were sitting. Wait……thats BRISTOL!!
> > > It kills me to see them build all these flat tracks and not build more
> like the
> > > best one on the circuit. Of course you can’t run Indy cars on a track
> like
> > > Bristol and thats why they build them flat. One more race date means
> more
> > > money. Even if they cant even fill the front stretch. (See Atlanta).
> > > Sam/RCR3FAN
> > > Bill Mulrooney wrote:
> > > > Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging
> spending
> > > > big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought
to
> tear
> > > > up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high banking.
> > > > One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as
the
> last
> > > > race their with no lead changes.
> > > > Bill
> > > —
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> > > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8076
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> > > Please take out the "REMOVETHIS" part to reply.
> > > samjo<at>n2<dot>com
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I do remember that. The track was designed like a 1.5 mile Indy with
short-chutes. After a couple races, they reconfigured to a continuous
radius oval.
Not only is the track a mess but the management is totally and completely
snafu’d too. And it’s an ISC track.
What a joke.
"Bill Mulrooney" <bill.mulroo…@the-spa.com> wrote in message
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> You should have seen Homestead when that 1st opened. It was designed by
> Emmerson Fitipaldi(?), need I say more. Four corners with no banking. They
> redid the corners, but its still lousy. Back stretch at Homestead is some
15
> feet higher then the front stretch, so it was not that easy to fix, and
they
> did not.
> Bill
> "DollarBill" <nospambillg…@nospamterranova.net> wrote in message
> news:Jbg77.22089$sE4.435070@news6.giganews.com…
> > Dittos for Homestead. Of course that track was built for the open
> wheelers
> > too. I have thought they should move the open wheelers to the road
course
> > (most of which can be seen from the stands) and put more bank in the
> corners
> > of the oval to make the "stocks" more exciting. But now that the CART
> folks
> > have checked out and IRL won’t run a road course, I don’t think that
will
> > happen.
> > Sometimes I wonder what they think (or don’t think) at ISC!
> > "Draft" <Dr…@bestweb.net> wrote in message
> > news:3B5D68E7.7EEDB254@bestweb.net…
> > > The statistics show that in two years there has been only one green
flag
> > lead
> > > change and if you want to go back even further the ratio does get
better
> > but not by
> > > much. Face it. It’s a one groove track at those speeds. Possibly to
> create
> > more
> > > competitive racing is to raise the banking anywhere between 15-20
> > maintaining the 1
> > > mile size. That would give the drivers something to work with.
> > > "Sam (RCR3FAN)" wrote:
> > > > I tend to agree with you on this one. But, I’d go a little farther.
> > I’d make
> > > > it a 1/2 mile track, with about 36 degree banking. Then I’d build
> > stands all
> > > > the way around the thing at a steep angle where you could see no
> matter
> > where
> > > > you were sitting. Wait……thats BRISTOL!!
> > > > It kills me to see them build all these flat tracks and not build
more
> > like the
> > > > best one on the circuit. Of course you can’t run Indy cars on a
track
> > like
> > > > Bristol and thats why they build them flat. One more race date
means
> > more
> > > > money. Even if they cant even fill the front stretch. (See
Atlanta).
> > > > Sam/RCR3FAN
> > > > Bill Mulrooney wrote:
> > > > > Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging
> > spending
> > > > > big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought
> to
> > tear
> > > > > up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high
banking.
> > > > > One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as
> the
> > last
> > > > > race their with no lead changes.
> > > > > Bill
> > > > —
> ************************************************************************
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> > > > RCR3FAN’S Homepage
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"Sam (RCR3FAN)" <Sam…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message <news:3B5D5559.3611A1AF@bellsouth.net>…
> It kills me to see them build all these flat tracks and not build more like the
> best one on the circuit. Of course you can’t run Indy cars on a track like
> Bristol and thats why they build them flat. One more race date means more
> money. Even if they cant even fill the front stretch. (See Atlanta).
That *is* somewhat surprising given that successful ventures usually
spawn dozens of clones wanting to cash in on the popularity. The only
thing I can see standing in the way is that while the fans may love
it, the drivers and teams generally don’t like Bristol because it
always takes such a heavy toll on equipment.
I can’t imagine that someone somewhere hasn’t thought about building a
Bristol-like track, but I bet any such effort would be met with a lot
of pressure from team owners not to do it.
On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:17:20 CST, "Bill Mulrooney"
<bill.mulroo…@the-spa.com> wrote:
>You should have seen Homestead when that 1st opened. It was designed by
>Emmerson Fitipaldi(?), need I say more. Four corners with no banking. They
>redid the corners, but its still lousy. Back stretch at Homestead is some 15
>feet higher then the front stretch, so it was not that easy to fix, and they
>did not.
Bill,
Could they have made the backstretch higher on purpose, to improve
that they did that at Ontario to make it easier for
fan visibility? I remember reading somewhere (how’s _that_ for
documentation
fans to view the back straight.
take care,
Scott
Your right Scott. They have the garage area along pit row and each garage
has a covered seating area (with TV Monitors). They raised the back stretch
about 10 to 15 feet and the main straight stands are way above the track
surface also. The stands face southeast, directly into the March or November
sun. Stands are all steel or aluminum and they are built such as the breeze,
if any, can not get through. I’ve been to 20 or so Daytona July races but
none were as hot as any of the races at Homestead. Its like sitting in a fry
pan and worse, they do not allow coolers. Terrible place to watch a race,
and the races are usually terrible. Bill
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> Bill,
> Could they have made the backstretch higher on purpose, to improve
that they did that at Ontario to make it easier for
> fan visibility? I remember reading somewhere (how’s _that_ for
> documentation
> fans to view the back straight.
> take care,
> Scott
FWIW, they do allow coolers now. My kids’ school runs a booth and beer
income fell more than half after coolers were allowed. Pina colada sales
continued to be high, however. ;-}
City of Homestead is in financial difficulties and has been told to
renegotiate contract they have with ISC; ISC is also one of the bidders for
the unused Homestead Sports Complex (baseball stadium) and some 80
additional acres around it. It was originally hoped that a drag strip would
be put in, but the local homeowners won’t agree to that. It was also hoped
that the soon-to-be-defunct Hialeah Speedway could be relocated down for
local 1/4 mile racing, but the neighbors don’t want that, either.
Much as I love WC, BGN and CTS races within 15 miles of my door, I have to
admit the track is poorly designed for competive racing. They tried to be
all things to all people and failed at just about everything – but they do
have good bathrooms.
Chris
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:40:36 CST, "Bill Mulrooney"
<bill.mulroo…@the-spa.com> wrote:
>Your right Scott. They have the garage area along pit row and each garage
>has a covered seating area (with TV Monitors). They raised the back stretch
>about 10 to 15 feet and the main straight stands are way above the track
>surface also. The stands face southeast, directly into the March or November
>sun. Stands are all steel or aluminum and they are built such as the breeze,
>if any, can not get through. I’ve been to 20 or so Daytona July races but
>none were as hot as any of the races at Homestead. Its like sitting in a fry
>pan and worse, they do not allow coolers. Terrible place to watch a race,
>and the races are usually terrible. Bill
Sounds nasty. My only "modern era" WC experience was at Texas (I was
in Fort Worth on business, and didn’t realize they were in town until
I discovered that at least some of Schrader’s crew was staying at the
same hotel) . TMS struck me as being a very "fan friendly" place.
Hmmm–KP said once that Darlinton should be filled with bass, and
Bristol should have carp. I’m guessing your "fish of choice" for
Homestead would be something like pike?
take care,
Scott
odd kind of coincedence–I watched the race in Texas, and flew back
to California the following week. About a week after I got back, the
guy across the street showed my something that he had bought on
E-Bay–the right side sheet metal from Ron Hornaday’s car–the car
he’d raced in Texas
the only problem with Texas is getting out after the race. I went in 1999
season and it took us 5 1/2 hrs to get out
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> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:40:36 CST, "Bill Mulrooney"
> <bill.mulroo…@the-spa.com> wrote:
> >Your right Scott. They have the garage area along pit row and each garage
> >has a covered seating area (with TV Monitors). They raised the back
stretch
> >about 10 to 15 feet and the main straight stands are way above the track
> >surface also. The stands face southeast, directly into the March or
November
> >sun. Stands are all steel or aluminum and they are built such as the
breeze,
> >if any, can not get through. I’ve been to 20 or so Daytona July races but
> >none were as hot as any of the races at Homestead. Its like sitting in a
fry
> >pan and worse, they do not allow coolers. Terrible place to watch a race,
> >and the races are usually terrible. Bill
> Sounds nasty. My only "modern era" WC experience was at Texas (I was
> in Fort Worth on business, and didn’t realize they were in town until
> I discovered that at least some of Schrader’s crew was staying at the
> same hotel) . TMS struck me as being a very "fan friendly" place.
> Hmmm–KP said once that Darlinton should be filled with bass, and
> Bristol should have carp. I’m guessing your "fish of choice" for
> Homestead would be something like pike?
> take care,
> Scott
> odd kind of coincedence–I watched the race in Texas, and flew back
> to California the following week. About a week after I got back, the
> guy across the street showed my something that he had bought on
> E-Bay–the right side sheet metal from Ron Hornaday’s car–the car
> he’d raced in Texas
Texas is very fan friendly. Clean bathrooms, lots of concessions, etc. It’s
just not TRAFFIC friendly. It always takes HOURS to get out of the parking lot,
no matter when you leave. Oh, and I still say they should have a few
port-o-johns somewhere close to vendor alley so you don’t have to walk 1/2 mile
into the parking lot.
Scott Stevenson wrote:
> TMS struck me as being a very "fan friendly" place.
> he’d raced in Texas
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:20:52 CST, "ld" <igo…@yahoo.com> wrote:
>the only problem with Texas is getting out after the race. I went in 1999
>season and it took us 5 1/2 hrs to get out
Wow–it took me less than 2 1/2 hours to get back to the hotel, and
I had to drive to the south end of Ft. Worth.
take care,
Scott
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>Although I live about one hour away from NHIS, I can not imaging spending
>big bucks to watch single file racing, year after year. They ought to tear
>up the track and start over. Make it a 3/4 miler with high banking.
>One on track lead change is a real snoozer, although not as bad as the last
>race their with no lead changes.
Hey Bill,
I was there, I watched Jeffy stink up the race for ~110 laps or so. Some guy
named Michael Daly wrote a collum a few days ago to the effect:
Okay, the Busch North guys and the modifieds can go to NHIS and make it look
REALLY interesting….WHY CAN’T the W/C and CTS do the same
thing?!!??!?!?!?!?!?
I will grant you that the Mods have a tremendous contact patch for their tires
but the North guys are Ceee-dans and they can get around that track 2
wide…what’s the story here???? Are the Pro’s naught but a bunch of
PUSSY’S?????? Like C’mon now, I watched a tape from a year ago with Dale Shaw
and the former BNS champ (no I can’t remember his name!!!) They put on a
clinic….side by side racing swapping the position back and forth (this was
for 3rd place money) for more than 20 laps, passing in the turns, bumping and
running and it was friggin EXCITING!!! to watch.
Why can’t these so-called "professionals" do the same????? HUH??? Some body
‘spain it to me.
And OBTW, the Mods WERE the best race of the weekend!!! I was talking to a
ticket holder in the parking lot before the Sunday race. He was associated with
the Red Sox and he came to the ‘Cup race but wasn’t expecting to stay for the
whole thing. I asked him what race was the best race he’d seen that
weekend…he said, "The Modifieds, hands down!!!"
Bill, wish I’da know’df you were there….
Rich
That’s because you were heading south — the only direction which they
will allow traffic to flow. Anyone going East, West, or North gets
shuffled all the way around the track and into southbound traffic.
–
Cindy Murray
In honor of my Hero
Dale Earnhardt (1951-2001)
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>it, the drivers and teams generally don’t like Bristol because it
>always takes such a heavy toll on equipment.
I don’t know about that. I’ve heard them describe Bristol as jet fighters in
a gymnasium or racing around in a cereal bowl but I don’t think I’ve ever
heard any of them say they don’t like racing there. I know Rusty likes it
and Dale liked it. Most of them think it’s a hoot and the fans agree. So
what, they bang up a few fenders, rub the numbers off the doors and get a
little concrete dust on the right side tires. I think they love it. Well, as
long as their car is still running and they can get in there and fight with
the best of them. It’s probably the closest any of them will come to
demolition derby on a Saturday night. Now, I’m sure you’re probably right
about the crews not wanting to have to clean up the mess afterwards but hey,
that’s what they’re paid for.
Dave Casey
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> Could they have made the backstretch higher on purpose, to improve
that they did that at Ontario to make it easier for
>fan visibility? I remember reading somewhere (how’s _that_ for
>documentation
>fans to view the back straight.
I believe Dover is the same way. They go up a hill to the backstretch and
dive down into turn three.
Dave Casey
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Rich. I was not there. That was the theme on the original thread. I
mentioned I live about a hour away, and have no desire to go and see a
follow the leader race. I did watch a taped replay of the race. What was it,
one on track lead change? Glad I taped it so I fast forward through it. I
did not watch or even tape the Pocono event. I’ll probably get flamed for
this, but that is another track NASCAR can do without. Just barely ahead of
NHIS and Homestead. What we need is more cookie cutter D shaped 1-1/2 milers
like Chicago, etc. (tongue in cheek). Bet the WC boys could put on a good
show at Pikes Peak.
Bill
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> Bill, wish I’da know’df you were there….
> Rich