If this is the "future" of NASCAR on TV – looks like I’ll be listening on
the radio.
1. Tuned at exactly 12:30 Eastern. Saw a brief look at the Labonte/Jarrett
championship
outlook, what Jarrett needs to do, etc. Then off to NY – we need to get the
basketball scores from
YESTERDAY. Head back to the track. Oh my, they are already on the track !.
Missed the
"Start your engines" and everything – no driver interviews, nothing.
2. A virtual lack of "rundowns" on the field. They need to take a look at
ESPN. Show the field
(3 at a time, 5 at a time, whatever) in the corner of the screen. Not
everyone’s favorite driver is on the
screen at all (any of the) time(s).
3. Like #2, show some more on track speed information, show some interval
information, etc. This is like
seeing a camera fixed on a couple of cars, and having no idea anyone else is
on the track.
4. Show the race. Small "insight" bits ( less than 30 seconds) are fine
when they apply to the action on the track. The dissertation on Jarrett was
just way too much
while the race was ongoing.
5. Have the anchor talk before the race, after the race, but not while the
race is ongoing !!!!!
We want to see cars !!!! Check ESPN Classic for a race in the past 2 years.
Watch it over and over
again. Then watch it some more.
I thought no one could approach coverage as bad as TNN ( in most cases).
NBC has surpassed this,
by far. I’m almost to the point of wanting TNN coverage.
IMHO, ESPN did the best job, before during and after the race. Not perfect,
but I think the best.
They helped build NASCAR and are now are shut out. I can’t wait for the
first time a football game needs
to start, and the race was slowed by yellow or a red flag. Will we see the
end ?
Dennis
Who can we email to say how AWFUL their coverage was?
I’ll tell ya what, announcers make a race exciting, and I was NOT, at all,
excited about any of this.
I want Ned Jarrett, Benny Parsons, and all those other guys back!
Sorry but for 40 billion dollars this is just the beginning of whats to come…
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PSU Grad wrote:
> If this is the "future" of NASCAR on TV – looks like I’ll be listening on
> the radio.
> 1. Tuned at exactly 12:30 Eastern. Saw a brief look at the Labonte/Jarrett
> championship
> outlook, what Jarrett needs to do, etc. Then off to NY – we need to get the
> basketball scores from
> YESTERDAY. Head back to the track. Oh my, they are already on the track !.
> Missed the
> "Start your engines" and everything – no driver interviews, nothing.
> 2. A virtual lack of "rundowns" on the field. They need to take a look at
> ESPN. Show the field
> (3 at a time, 5 at a time, whatever) in the corner of the screen. Not
> everyone’s favorite driver is on the
> screen at all (any of the) time(s).
> 3. Like #2, show some more on track speed information, show some interval
> information, etc. This is like
> seeing a camera fixed on a couple of cars, and having no idea anyone else is
> on the track.
> 4. Show the race. Small "insight" bits ( less than 30 seconds) are fine
> when they apply to the action on the track. The dissertation on Jarrett was
> just way too much
> while the race was ongoing.
> 5. Have the anchor talk before the race, after the race, but not while the
> race is ongoing !!!!!
> We want to see cars !!!! Check ESPN Classic for a race in the past 2 years.
> Watch it over and over
> again. Then watch it some more.
> I thought no one could approach coverage as bad as TNN ( in most cases).
> NBC has surpassed this,
> by far. I’m almost to the point of wanting TNN coverage.
> IMHO, ESPN did the best job, before during and after the race. Not perfect,
> but I think the best.
> They helped build NASCAR and are now are shut out. I can’t wait for the
> first time a football game needs
> to start, and the race was slowed by yellow or a red flag. Will we see the
> end ?
I work 6 days a week, so I have to sneak race viewing in between my
home owner type stuff, but I did notice some UCAP type mini
documentaries while there was some contention for the Winston Cup
championship going on. I think if someone explained to NBC what race
coverage should be, from a fan’s perspective, they would do better. I
mean, you can do that kind of thing during the world series, but not a
stock car race. I told you they would try to reinvent the wheel but I
didn’t know they would try to square it up.
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> Dennis
In article <19991114151941.07995.00000…@ng-da1.aol.com>, mcprob…@aol.com
(McProbe GT) writes:
>I’ll tell ya what, announcers make a race exciting, and I was NOT, at all,
>excited about any of this.
I have to agree. The commenators did little to get me excited over this race or
keep me pumped. My three year old daughter took appropriate action – she
napped!
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"PSU Grad" <dmill…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If this is the "future" of NASCAR on TV – looks like I’ll be listening
on
> the radio.
<snip>
> I thought no one could approach coverage as bad as TNN ( in most
cases).
> NBC has surpassed this,
> by far. I’m almost to the point of wanting TNN coverage.
> Dennis
But Dennis—this is exactly what we the fans want and deserve. Mike
Helton said so, and he can’t *possibly* be wrong now, could he?
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mcprob…@aol.com (McProbe GT) wrote:
>Who can we email to say how AWFUL their coverage was?
>I’ll tell ya what, announcers make a race exciting, and I was NOT, at all,
>excited about any of this.
>I want Ned Jarrett, Benny Parsons, and all those other guys back!
I went immediately to the NBC web pages and e-mailed spo…@nbc.com
I take back everything I said about the new package being a good
thing.. I should have known that NBC would treat NASCAR like the
Olympics.
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PSU Grad wrote in message <80n3f2$8b…@autumn.news.rcn.net>…
>If this is the "future" of NASCAR on TV – looks like I’ll be listening on
>the radio.
That’s exactly what I did. I shoved a tape in the VCR, turned on MRN, and
spent the afternoon waxing my wheels. Ran inside to see the last ten laps.
It don’t seem to matter who broadcasts the race these day, it almost seems
like there’s more commercials that coverage of the actual race. The quality
of the broadcasts vary a bit, granted, but I’m just tired of all the
commercial breaks in general.
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>1. Tuned at exactly 12:30 Eastern. Saw a brief look at the
Labonte/Jarrett
>championship
>outlook, what Jarrett needs to do, etc. Then off to NY – we need to get
the
>basketball scores from
>YESTERDAY. Head back to the track. Oh my, they are already on the track
!.
>Missed the
>"Start your engines" and everything – no driver interviews, nothing.
>2. A virtual lack of "rundowns" on the field. They need to take a look at
>ESPN. Show the field
>(3 at a time, 5 at a time, whatever) in the corner of the screen. Not
>everyone’s favorite driver is on the
>screen at all (any of the) time(s).
>3. Like #2, show some more on track speed information, show some interval
>information, etc. This is like
>seeing a camera fixed on a couple of cars, and having no idea anyone else
is
>on the track.
>4. Show the race. Small "insight" bits ( less than 30 seconds) are fine
>when they apply to the action on the track. The dissertation on Jarrett
was
>just way too much
>while the race was ongoing.
>5. Have the anchor talk before the race, after the race, but not while the
>race is ongoing !!!!!
>We want to see cars !!!! Check ESPN Classic for a race in the past 2
years.
>Watch it over and over
>again. Then watch it some more.
>I thought no one could approach coverage as bad as TNN ( in most cases).
>NBC has surpassed this,
>by far. I’m almost to the point of wanting TNN coverage.
>IMHO, ESPN did the best job, before during and after the race. Not
perfect,
>but I think the best.
>They helped build NASCAR and are now are shut out. I can’t wait for the
>first time a football game needs
>to start, and the race was slowed by yellow or a red flag. Will we see the
>end ?
>Dennis
Bob Paxton <paxto…@popmail.firn.edu> wrote in message
news:80n9j9$pml$1@nnrp1.deja.com…
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> In article <80n3f2$8b…@autumn.news.rcn.net>,
> "PSU Grad" <dmill…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > If this is the "future" of NASCAR on TV – looks like I’ll be listening
> on
> > the radio.
> <snip>
> > I thought no one could approach coverage as bad as TNN ( in most
> cases).
> > NBC has surpassed this,
> > by far. I’m almost to the point of wanting TNN coverage.
> > Dennis
> But Dennis—this is exactly what we the fans want and deserve. Mike
> Helton said so, and he can’t *possibly* be wrong now, could he?
Here is a snippet from NOL:
In addition to their extensive live broadcast coverage of events, each of
the networks has committed to a dedicated pre-race show for each and every
NASCAR Winston Cup Series event. The consolidated television package will
also offer more broadcast network NASCAR Busch Series Grand National
Division event coverage than what is currently committed to the NASCAR
Winston Cup Series.
"We owe a large level of gratitude and are indebted to networks like ABC,
CBS, ESPN and TNN for the integral role they have played in the growth of
NASCAR racing," Brian France said. "Today’s announcement confirms our
position as a rapidly growing sport that is prepared to enter the new
millennium."
As part of the agreement, FOX will have rights to the first half of the 2001
season beginning with the Daytona 500. The FOX Network will broadcast live a
majority of the NASCAR Winston Cup events and a share of the NASCAR Busch
Series events with the remaining events to be broadcast live on the FX
Network
END NOL Snippet.
ESPN ( and TNN, etc) carried all races live all the time. extensive does
not mean complete.
If they owe ESPN, TNN et all, they should pay them back, not shaft them..
Hope everyone has access to the FX network. I bet this means once football
comes on – NASCAR goes to
the FX network.
What about the Saturday Night Races ? Maybe they will tape delay them until
Sunday so we won’t miss any action…
Dennis
"PSU Grad" <dmill…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I can’t wait for the
>first time a football game needs
>to start, and the race was slowed by yellow or a red flag. Will we see the
>end ?
Let’s be fair, NBC did get this one right. On Sat they had time allotted for
happy hour, and today they had a triathlon or some such filler scheduled
after the race. It’s pretty obvious that was done so they could handle the
race running long. Big difference from CBS, who schedule important
stuff right after the race (yeah, I dunno how golf can be considered important,
but CBS evidently thinks so).
I agree with the rest of your comments tho, by and large NBC’s first try was
unimpressive. Let’s hope they’re quick learners.
John
I was glad to see Alan Bestwick. But why was Joe Gibbs in the box? He
as much as said he didn’t know ANYTHING about the cars (he leaves it to
his crews), and he really had nothing impressive or interesting to say.
And how many times did they have to remind us that "If Bobby Labonte
wins, Dale Jarrett will have to finish 8th or better….." Give me a
break!
One question though, over something that really should have been part of
the "pre-race show" (if included at all), was they were commenting on
Jeremy Mayfield being psyched over his new paint job and somebody said
no, it was his new girlfriend. Last time I checked, he was married.
Anybody got the scoop on this? (You can email privately if this is OT
for the group).
—
Cindy Murray
Dallas, Texas
http://cindym3.home.mindspring.com
Football shouldn’t be a factor since Fox coverage of WC ends before football
season begins and NBC doesn’t have football.
– John
PSU Grad <dmill…@hotmail.com> wrote
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> Hope everyone has access to the FX network. I bet this means once
football
> comes on – NASCAR goes to
> the FX network.
Like ESPN lost racing so has NBC lost NFL, you won’t have to worry about
that interuption.
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>I can’t wait for the
> first time a football game needs
> to start, and the race was slowed by yellow or a red flag. Will we see the
> end ?
> Dennis
John Martin <jtmar…@martincomputers.com> wrote:
: Football shouldn’t be a factor since Fox coverage of WC ends before football
: season begins and NBC doesn’t have football.
I have a very uneasy feeling about the broadcasts here in Hawai`i.
I’m not worried about football, but I may get preempted by a hula festival
or some dang kayak race. It’s nice to be back online
Aloha, Henry
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hkel…@AThawaiiDOT.edu wrote:
> John Martin <jtmar…@martincomputers.com> wrote:
> : Football shouldn’t be a factor since Fox coverage of WC ends before football
> : season begins and NBC doesn’t have football.
> I have a very uneasy feeling about the broadcasts here in Hawai`i.
> I’m not worried about football, but I may get preempted by a hula festival
> or some dang kayak race. It’s nice to be back online
> Aloha, Henry
Henry,
Glad to see you back online and in the group.
I think NBC is going to improve with time. They can’t pay money
like that and not get their race teams up to speed eventually.
I know it’s not popular on this group, but I don’t mind NASCAR
going with the highest bidder. Money talks. The folks who
race just for the fun of it are out on the highway, drag racing
on the streets, or doing kamikaze runs through the countryside.
The people we watch on TV are pros who want to make enough money
for everybody in their organization to make a good living.
The thing to watch is how fairly the money gets divvied up by
tracks, teams, and drivers. $2.4 billion oughta float a lot
of boats.
Marty
After reading the answers David Pooles received from "Nascar Officials"
this week end on viewers concerns about the 2001 beyond tv coverage
I am depressed.
http://www.thatsracin.com/99/1114/1113tvqa.htm
Everything fans seem afraid to see happen will.
More commercials, new announcers so the networks can make
their "brand" on their coverage. It sounds like Nascar the corporation
really doesn’t care what the viewers want.
I did like the mention of the Nascar Channel still being planned.
But if it’s anything like Speed Vision, I won’t have the opportunity to
even pay for the channel for years because our cable company won’t
carry it for that long. Sigh.
true
<SNIP>
John McCoy wrote:
Let’s be fair, NBC did get this one right. On Sat they had time allotted for
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> happy hour, and today they had a triathlon or some such filler scheduled
> after the race. It’s pretty obvious that was done so they could handle the
> race running long. Big difference from CBS, who schedule important
> stuff right after the race (yeah, I dunno how golf can be considered important,
> but CBS evidently thinks so).
> I agree with the rest of your comments tho, by and large NBC’s first try was
> unimpressive. Let’s hope they’re quick learners.
> John
Martin X. Moleski, SJ <mole…@canisius.edu> wrote:
<snip>
: I know it’s not popular on this group, but I don’t mind NASCAR
: going with the highest bidder. Money talks.
<snip>
: The people we watch on TV are pros who want to make enough money
: for everybody in their organization to make a good living.
: The thing to watch is how fairly the money gets divvied up by
: tracks, teams, and drivers. $2.4 billion oughta float a lot
: of boats.
You gotta remember we’re already being charged at both ends and plenty in
the middle. We pay for (A) TV, (B) Sponsor products, and (C) Team
products.
A: We pay with loss of viewing time for the big bucks the networks pay
to NASCAR. Unfortuntely, we, as the viewers, will suffer as the networks
struggle to recoup the $2.4b by jamming every commercial and promo they
can possibly get away with into their broadcasts. We’ll be lucky to see
any racing.
B: As far as the NASCAR professionals go, I beleive the big $ponsor teams
already do pretty well. And the best sponsors have already figured how to
recoup their sponsorship costs from the fans through product sales and
marketing at the track and on TV via the rolling billboards. I wish all
teams had smart sponsors like Hot Wheels and Pepsi.
C: The teams (particularly the drivers) make even more money through
things like t-shirts and diecasts.
I think the more $$ that go into TV NASCAR, the more return the networks
and TV sponsors will expect on their investment. There aren’t enough big
"Team" (read Real) sponsors to keep the playing field level for 43-50
teams. And the drivers will have to adopt a more Madison avenue (read
Earnhardt & Gordon> style to make the extra bucks. (Which only the
winningest teams/drivers that already have the big sponsors can do)
Howabout NASCAR consolidates even more by collecting all team
sponsorship $$ allotting equal TV commercial time and evenly distributing
the $$ to the teams? Yuck, but that’s where the TV deal is heading us.
Aloha, Henry
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