There is discussion that Kyle Petty and Bobby LaBonte may switch cars in an
attempt to keep both Petty cars racing every week. While this is perfectly
legal, it seems to me to be an act of desperation on the part of Petty to
stay in the hunt.
While I respect Kyle enormously as an individual, I think the time has long
passed for him to hang up the helmet and find a new driver for the 45. It
appears that there are an abundance of young guns available who would be
thrilled to take the helm of the 45 and while they lack Petty’s experience
they would bring a competitive drive that the team so desperately needs.
In watching Kyle the past few years, he doesn’t seem to "want" to win. He
just seems content in finishing the race regardless of his final position.
I think Adam’s untimely death took the wind out of the Petty’s sail and they
had no plans for succession. LaBonte has shown that the Petty cars "can" be
competitive, albeit maybe not in the same league with Hendrick, et al at
least not consistently in the back of the pack.
Speaking of LaBonte, he is no youngster either. While he still maintains a
competitive drive, the Petty organization needs to plan for the future and
get a couple of young guns lined up and soon.
Just my observations… whaddya all think?
Mike
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:34:27 CST, "Mike Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote in <13hme9gr3e0r…@corp.supernews.com>:
>There is discussion that Kyle Petty and Bobby LaBonte may switch cars in an
>attempt to keep both Petty cars racing every week. While this is perfectly
>legal, it seems to me to be an act of desperation on the part of Petty to
>stay in the hunt.
Or calculated shrewdness.
>While I respect Kyle enormously as an individual, I think the time has long
>passed for him to hang up the helmet and find a new driver for the 45.
It’s hard to estimate how much money Kyle brings into the
organization–how much he means to the sponsors.
I mean that it is hard FOR US to estimate that.
>It
>appears that there are an abundance of young guns available who would be
>thrilled to take the helm of the 45 and while they lack Petty’s experience
>they would bring a competitive drive that the team so desperately needs.
"All teams look like SuperBowl contenders when they’re 0-0."
I sure wouldn’t want the job of identifying the next JG or JJ or TS.
"A bird in hand is worth two in the bush."
>In watching Kyle the past few years, he doesn’t seem to "want" to win. He
>just seems content in finishing the race regardless of his final position.
>I think Adam’s untimely death took the wind out of the Petty’s sail and they
>had no plans for succession.
I imagine you’re right.
I wish them well …
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On 10/21/07 08:34, in article 13hme9gr3e0r…@corp.supernews.com, "Mike
Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote:
> In watching Kyle the past few years, he doesn’t seem to "want" to win. He
> just seems content in finishing the race regardless of his final position.
> I think Adam’s untimely death took the wind out of the Petty’s sail and they
> had no plans for succession. LaBonte has shown that the Petty cars "can" be
> competitive, albeit maybe not in the same league with Hendrick, et al at
> least not consistently in the back of the pack.
I think Kyle’s working his way up to retirement, but trying to be more
attractive to whoever they end up bringing in, and Petty’s iffy on that
front right now.
He’s said more than once that the reason he’s still in that car is that it’s
the place he feels closest to Adam: 45 is Adam’s number. That he did the
five weeks of broadcasting and let somebody else in the car this year I
think is a sign that he’s getting ready to step back and become
management/broadcaster rather than driver…..maybe a bit more in 2008, and
full time in 2009?
–pig
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <mole…@canisius.edu> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:34:27 CST, "Mike Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote
> in <13hme9gr3e0r…@corp.supernews.com>:
>>There is discussion that Kyle Petty and Bobby LaBonte may switch cars in
>>an
>>attempt to keep both Petty cars racing every week. While this is
>>perfectly
>>legal, it seems to me to be an act of desperation on the part of Petty to
>>stay in the hunt.
> Or calculated shrewdness.
>>While I respect Kyle enormously as an individual, I think the time has
>>long
>>passed for him to hang up the helmet and find a new driver for the 45.
> It’s hard to estimate how much money Kyle brings into the
> organization–how much he means to the sponsors.
> I mean that it is hard FOR US to estimate that.
Very true Marty, and no doubt that plays a huge role in his decision to
wanting to keep the 45 on the track at all costs. It seems to me however,
that at some point in time (the Petty name nothwithstanding) that the 45
will cease to attract "quality" sponsors and thus their money. Prudent
management would dictate that the fortunes of the 45 should be turned around
before this happens.
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>>It
>>appears that there are an abundance of young guns available who would be
>>thrilled to take the helm of the 45 and while they lack Petty’s experience
>>they would bring a competitive drive that the team so desperately needs.
> "All teams look like SuperBowl contenders when they’re 0-0."
> I sure wouldn’t want the job of identifying the next JG or JJ or TS.
> "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush."
>>In watching Kyle the past few years, he doesn’t seem to "want" to win. He
>>just seems content in finishing the race regardless of his final position.
>>I think Adam’s untimely death took the wind out of the Petty’s sail and
>>they
>>had no plans for succession.
> I imagine you’re right.
> I wish them well …
So do I, I simply cannot imagine a day in NASCAR when the Petty name is
absent.
Mike
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<snip>
> I think Kyle’s working his way up to retirement, but trying to be more
> attractive to whoever they end up bringing in, and Petty’s iffy on that
> front right now.
> He’s said more than once that the reason he’s still in that car is that it’s
> the place he feels closest to Adam: 45 is Adam’s number. That he did the
> five weeks of broadcasting and let somebody else in the car this year I
> think is a sign that he’s getting ready to step back and become
> management/broadcaster rather than driver…..maybe a bit more in 2008, and
> full time in 2009?
> –pig
I’m completely in agreement with Kyle’s contingency plan. It meets existing
rules/policies and has numerous precedents. It caused a huge smile when he added
that they also still have ‘The King’ in their stable!
I want to see the Petty organization remain, move closer to Charlotte and grow
beyond a 2-car operation…the numbers 42, 43, 44 and 45 or 43, 44, 45 and 46 come
to mind.
>From what I’ve read/heard, Kyle is contracted to do another 6-race booth deal with
TNT in ’08 and that year would be the time to make all those changes.
More power to ‘em, if they swap during ’07 to help make it so.
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> <snip>
>> I think Kyle’s working his way up to retirement, but trying to be more
>> attractive to whoever they end up bringing in, and Petty’s iffy on that
>> front right now.
>> He’s said more than once that the reason he’s still in that car is that
>> it’s
>> the place he feels closest to Adam: 45 is Adam’s number. That he did the
>> five weeks of broadcasting and let somebody else in the car this year I
>> think is a sign that he’s getting ready to step back and become
>> management/broadcaster rather than driver…..maybe a bit more in 2008,
>> and
>> full time in 2009?
>> –pig
> I’m completely in agreement with Kyle’s contingency plan. It meets
> existing rules/policies and has numerous precedents. It caused a huge
> smile when he added that they also still have ‘The King’ in their stable!
I agree, NASCAR made the champion’s provisional rule; now they have to deal
with the fact that teams are figuring out how to work it to their favor.
Still don’t agree with the top 35 being in each race. One team
(Allmidingbat?) last week had a qualifying speed that placed them 9th, but
they didn’t make the race. Something stinks!
Amy
"Mike Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote in
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> There is discussion that Kyle Petty and Bobby LaBonte may switch cars
> in an attempt to keep both Petty cars racing every week. While this
> is perfectly legal, it seems to me to be an act of desperation on the
> part of Petty to stay in the hunt.
> While I respect Kyle enormously as an individual, I think the time has
> long passed for him to hang up the helmet and find a new driver for
> the 45. It appears that there are an abundance of young guns
> available who would be thrilled to take the helm of the 45 and while
> they lack Petty’s experience they would bring a competitive drive that
> the team so desperately needs.
> In watching Kyle the past few years, he doesn’t seem to "want" to win.
> He just seems content in finishing the race regardless of his final
> position. I think Adam’s untimely death took the wind out of the
> Petty’s sail and they had no plans for succession. LaBonte has shown
> that the Petty cars "can" be competitive, albeit maybe not in the same
> league with Hendrick, et al at least not consistently in the back of
> the pack.
> Speaking of LaBonte, he is no youngster either. While he still
> maintains a competitive drive, the Petty organization needs to plan
> for the future and get a couple of young guns lined up and soon.
> Just my observations… whaddya all think?
I pretty much agree with you. It’s obvious that as drivers age
they become less capable of being competive – for every Harry Gant
or Bobby Allison that won in their 50′s there’s a dozen guys of
that age who have run at the back of the pack. And I think Kyle
is heading into that age – he’s got the same car as Labonte, but
he’s not able to get as much out of it any more.
But on the other hand, it seems he does enjoy the driving. And
much like Dave Marcis some years back, if he enjoys doing it then
who are we to say he shouldn’t, as long as he can qualify into
the field?
Apropos of young guns, Petty’s prior efforts in that regard have
not been too successful. I don’t think they have the program in
place to develop a young driver. They would be better advised,
I think, to take a driver with potential who hasn’t worked out
with one of the top teams – a Stremme or a Riggs, say. The trick,
of course, would be to identify a guy who’s got the talent but
was just in the wrong place, versus the guy who never had the
talent and got in over his head.
John
On Oct 21, 5:37 pm, "Amy" <amybrideNOS…@comcast.net> wrote:
> I agree, NASCAR made the champion’s provisional rule; now they have to deal
> with the fact that teams are figuring out how to work it to their favor.
Kinda makes me wonder if the champion’s provisional needs to go away
entirely. You can’t blame the teams for working the rule to their
advantage, but it’s getting kinda ridiculous. Remember you had Terry
Labonte running the 96 for the first five races this year and now DJ
is going to do the same for the 44 team next year. You’ve got Bill
Elliott in and out of the 21 depending on their points position and
now the possibility of Bobby Labonte in the 45.
I think it’s kinda sad to see former champs pressed into marginal
cars.
> Still don’t agree with the top 35 being in each race. One team
> (Allmidingbat?) last week had a qualifying speed that placed them 9th, but
> they didn’t make the race. Something stinks!
That only happened because it was an impound race and all the go-or-go-
homers had qualifying setups under their cars.
In article bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote:
>> Still don’t agree with the top 35 being in each race. One team
>> (Allmidingbat?) last week had a qualifying speed that placed them 9th, but
>> they didn’t make the race. Something stinks!
>That only happened because it was an impound race and all the go-or-go-
>homers had qualifying setups under their cars.
So what’s your point?
That it doesn’t stink?
Dan
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On 10/21/07 22:17, in article Xns99D0D96FB1E3Dpogosupern…@216.168.3.30,
"John McCoy" <igop…@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> But on the other hand, it seems he does enjoy the driving. And
> much like Dave Marcis some years back, if he enjoys doing it then
> who are we to say he shouldn’t, as long as he can qualify into
> the field?
Especially when, more or less, he owns the car…..
–pig
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:09:26 CST, bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote in <1193054953.102311.277…@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
> … I think it’s kinda sad to see former champs pressed into marginal
>cars.
I think I heard the commentators say that he ran
a good race. He was in the top 20 at the time.
Dunno what happened. He was 23 laps down at the
end. Probably got collected in a wreck and finished
34th.
"I ain’t as good as I once was, but I’m as good once
as I ever was."
Marty
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On Oct 22, 9:37 am, chuck_st…@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> In article bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote:
> >That only happened because it was an impound race and all the go-or-go-
> >homers had qualifying setups under their cars.
> So what’s your point?
> That it doesn’t stink?
The point is that if you’re saying "the system stinks because the
ninth fastest qualifier got sent home", you’re being intellectually
dishonest because you’re not telling the whole story.
There was a reason why a bunch of guys who usually qualify in the
bottom half of the pack were all up front that day. In a normal
qualifying session where everyone is on relatively equal footing setup-
wise, there are guys who go home even though they were faster than
some of the guys who made the field. However, the ones who go home
are generally nowhere near the top ten on the speed chart.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons for thinking that something
stinks with the current qualifying rules. That one flukey situation
isn’t one of them.
In article bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote:
>The point is that if you’re saying "the system stinks because the
>ninth fastest qualifier got sent home", you’re being intellectually
>dishonest because you’re not telling the whole story.
The story is a short one.
If you qualify 14th, and you can’t race.
It stinks.
Justify it any way you want, Bob.
It stinks.
The part that stinks, is that there is a system
that GIVES people spots, even if you don’t take
a qualifying run….
You get to work the whole time on race setups.
Guys who are already in a huge hole, and trying
to dig themselves out, get a short handle shovel….
Dan
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On Oct 22, 1:37 pm, chuck_st…@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
> The story is a short one.
> If you qualify 14th, and you can’t race.
> It stinks.
> Justify it any way you want, Bob.
> It stinks.
I didn’t say it didn’t stink. I said there were plenty of reasons for
thinking that it *does* stink. However, saying only that "the system
is so freakin’ bad that it sent the ninth fastest guy home" is just
not being honest because you’re not telling the whole story behind
that one unusual situation. Now if the ninth fastest guy ROUTINELY
went home, then that would be a valid argument.
> The part that stinks, is that there is a system
> that GIVES people spots, even if you don’t take
> a qualifying run….
> You get to work the whole time on race setups.
> Guys who are already in a huge hole, and trying
> to dig themselves out, get a short handle shovel….
OK, let me issue you a challenge. It’s easy to gripe and complain
about what’s wrong. It’s not so easy to come up with something
better. The question to you is simple. If you could start with a
blank sheet of paper and design the qualifying procedure what would it
be? Think it thru. Consider all the angles and tell us how you’d do
it.
Anybody who wants to play is welcome….
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> On Oct 22, 1:37 pm, chuck_st…@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote:
>> The story is a short one.
>> If you qualify 14th, and you can’t race.
>> It stinks.
>> Justify it any way you want, Bob.
>> It stinks.
> I didn’t say it didn’t stink. I said there were plenty of reasons for
> thinking that it *does* stink. However, saying only that "the system
> is so freakin’ bad that it sent the ninth fastest guy home" is just
> not being honest because you’re not telling the whole story behind
> that one unusual situation. Now if the ninth fastest guy ROUTINELY
> went home, then that would be a valid argument.
>> The part that stinks, is that there is a system
>> that GIVES people spots, even if you don’t take
>> a qualifying run….
>> You get to work the whole time on race setups.
>> Guys who are already in a huge hole, and trying
>> to dig themselves out, get a short handle shovel….
> OK, let me issue you a challenge. It’s easy to gripe and complain
> about what’s wrong. It’s not so easy to come up with something
> better. The question to you is simple. If you could start with a
> blank sheet of paper and design the qualifying procedure what would it
> be? Think it thru. Consider all the angles and tell us how you’d do
> it.
> Anybody who wants to play is welcome….
OK, I’ll bite……….
how ’bout the 43 fastest cars on qualifying day get to race on race day…
period!
It is elegant in its simplicity, it’s easy to understand, there is no
ambiguity and it is "fair" to everyone.
Yeah, I know about the sponsors and stuff but they will get used to it along
with everyone else.
Mike
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On Oct 22, 5:49 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote:
> OK, I’ll bite……….
> how ’bout the 43 fastest cars on qualifying day get to race on race day…
> period!
> It is elegant in its simplicity, it’s easy to understand, there is no
> ambiguity and it is "fair" to everyone.
That’s fine until a five dollar part breaks on the point leader’s car
in the midst of the chase, or a blown tire puts (insert your favorite
driver’s name here) in the fence after you’ve spent over a thousand
dollars and traveled hundreds of miles expecting to watch him race on
Sunday.
I think this is a case where elegant simplicity and philosophical
purity just ain’t gonna cut it in the real world. Face it. All
drivers aren’t created equal. Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart and Dale
Earnhardt Jr. sell tickets and get people to tune in on TV. Kevin
Lepage, Jeremy Mayfield and AJ Allmendinger don’t. Sending one of the
sport’s superstars home because of a stroke of bad luck in qualifying
would stink a whole lot more than anything that has happened under the
current system.
Come on folks. I know there’s enough brain power in this group to
give this some serious thought and come up with ideas that take the
realities of the sport into consideration. Screw the sponsors, screw
the TV, screw the fans, let ‘em get used to seeing Gordon/Stewart/
Earnhardt go home is just not practical.
I’ll give you my idea. I agree that the fastest 43 should start, but
with one provision–everybody gets a mulligan that would cover stuff
like mechanical failures, blown tires, or just flat losing it and
spinning out. If someone’s just slow or maybe slips a little bit, but
still completes a normal run, that run counts. But if something
prevents a driver from completing a normal qualifying run, they get a
second chance–with the backup car if necessary.
bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote in news:1193078453.774334.259430
@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> OK, let me issue you a challenge. It’s easy to gripe and complain
> about what’s wrong. It’s not so easy to come up with something
> better. The question to you is simple. If you could start with a
> blank sheet of paper and design the qualifying procedure what would it
> be? Think it thru. Consider all the angles and tell us how you’d do
> it.
> Anybody who wants to play is welcome….
We’ve done this before. And I’ll stick with the same answer: 40
qualify on speed, 2 provisionals.
You can add some bells and whistles (not more than 6 provisionals
per team per year; a past champs provisional) if you want.
John
chuck_st…@nospam.com (Chuck Steak) wrote in news:jj4Ti.539$aB2.102
@trndny07:
> In article bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote:
>>The point is that if you’re saying "the system stinks because the
>>ninth fastest qualifier got sent home", you’re being intellectually
>>dishonest because you’re not telling the whole story.
> The story is a short one.
> If you qualify 14th, and you can’t race.
> It stinks.
> Justify it any way you want, Bob.
> It stinks.
I agree with Bob. What stinks is there are two seperate systems
for two groups of drivers. The fact that a driver in one system
can be fast and still go home is an effect of the system, not a
cause; and if you don’t explain what the cause is then you’re
not telling the whole story.
John
bob.pax…@gmail.com wrote in news:1193093191.634033.289450
@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> That’s fine until a five dollar part breaks on the point leader’s car
> in the midst of the chase, or a blown tire puts (insert your favorite
> driver’s name here) in the fence after you’ve spent over a thousand
> dollars and traveled hundreds of miles expecting to watch him race on
> Sunday.
That’s racin’. An equitable system requires that the points leader suffers
just as much from a broken part as the last car in the field.
Unfortuantely, I have a hard time calling what NASCAR is doing right now
"racin’." I see real "racin’" at my local dirt track on Saturday, not in
the circus that is now NASCAR.
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A: Because it disturbs the logical flow of the message.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Here is what I say…
Fastest 30 two days before race (typically Fri.) are in.
Rest have to start a heat race held the day before. Length – a % of
the race? unsure
Top 10 get in race. That leaves 2 for regular provissionals. I have
to still let the champ provisional.
I like the limit but think it needs to stay.
For those that think it is a joke.. I thought it was more of a joke
when ole DW would do it and his lap times were crap after the race
started.
The heat race would be popular with the fans at the track or even for
TV. Maybe it would keep some drivers at the track and from flying to
all these Grand National Races.
Kyle is royalty, he gets to drive till he wants to quit.
On Oct 21, 5:34 am, "Mike Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote:
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> There is discussion that Kyle Petty and Bobby LaBonte may switch cars in an
> attempt to keep both Petty cars racing every week. While this is perfectly
> legal, it seems to me to be an act of desperation on the part of Petty to
> stay in the hunt.
> While I respect Kyle enormously as an individual, I think the time has long
> passed for him to hang up the helmet and find a new driver for the 45. It
> appears that there are an abundance of young guns available who would be
> thrilled to take the helm of the 45 and while they lack Petty’s experience
> they would bring a competitive drive that the team so desperately needs.
> In watching Kyle the past few years, he doesn’t seem to "want" to win. He
> just seems content in finishing the race regardless of his final position.
> I think Adam’s untimely death took the wind out of the Petty’s sail and they
> had no plans for succession. LaBonte has shown that the Petty cars "can" be
> competitive, albeit maybe not in the same league with Hendrick, et al at
> least not consistently in the back of the pack.
> Speaking of LaBonte, he is no youngster either. While he still maintains a
> competitive drive, the Petty organization needs to plan for the future and
> get a couple of young guns lined up and soon.
> Just my observations… whaddya all think?
> Mike
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> On Oct 22, 5:49 pm, "Mike Simmons" <mike…@yhti.net> wrote:
>> OK, I’ll bite……….
>> how ’bout the 43 fastest cars on qualifying day get to race on race
>> day…
>> period!
>> It is elegant in its simplicity, it’s easy to understand, there is no
>> ambiguity and it is "fair" to everyone.
> That’s fine until a five dollar part breaks on the point leader’s car
> in the midst of the chase, or a blown tire puts (insert your favorite
> driver’s name here) in the fence after you’ve spent over a thousand
> dollars and traveled hundreds of miles expecting to watch him race on
> Sunday.
> I think this is a case where elegant simplicity and philosophical
> purity just ain’t gonna cut it in the real world.
That’s just the point, my system IS the real world!
Face it. All
> drivers aren’t created equal. Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart and Dale
> Earnhardt Jr. sell tickets and get people to tune in on TV. Kevin
> Lepage, Jeremy Mayfield and AJ Allmendinger don’t. Sending one of the
> sport’s superstars home because of a stroke of bad luck in qualifying
> would stink a whole lot more than anything that has happened under the
> current system.
> Come on folks. I know there’s enough brain power in this group to
> give this some serious thought and come up with ideas that take the
> realities of the sport into consideration. Screw the sponsors, screw
> the TV, screw the fans, let ‘em get used to seeing Gordon/Stewart/
> Earnhardt go home is just not practical.
Why not?
> I’ll give you my idea. I agree that the fastest 43 should start, but
> with one provision–everybody gets a mulligan that would cover stuff
> like mechanical failures, blown tires, or just flat losing it and
> spinning out. If someone’s just slow or maybe slips a little bit, but
> still completes a normal run, that run counts. But if something
> prevents a driver from completing a normal qualifying run, they get a
> second chance–with the backup car if necessary.
Well then, what if said $5.00 part breaks after the green flag drops? There
ain’t no going back then or mulligans either… as the saying goes…. s**t
happens and that’s part of racing. If s**t happens during qualifying, then
so be it… as long as the rules apply to everyone, the s**t will presumably
be spread at random, thus offereing no one an advantage or disadvantage.
Thinkering with a simple system is how we wound up with our tax code and
many other laws designed to interject fairness into life. Sadly, life ain’t
fair sometimes.
I like my system best.
Mike
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<bob.pax…@gmail.com> wrote …
> OK, let me issue you a challenge.
First brain teaser and it isn’t even the off season yet … we, for all but 2 or
3 I guess it is …
> It’s easy to gripe and complain
> about what’s wrong. It’s not so easy to come up with something
> better. The question to you is simple. If you could start with a
> blank sheet of paper and design the qualifying procedure what would it
> be? Think it thru. Consider all the angles and tell us how you’d do
> it.
> Anybody who wants to play is welcome….
Right now the T35 are guaranteed a start. To protect sponsors, guarantee the
favorite big names don’t screw up and miss a race … and I think that is a
valid reality and concern.
What if that scale shrank during the season? every 5 races you lose 5 guaranteed
starting spots with the minimum number being the T12, ’bout the time of the
chase. As the season progresses the favorites (or at least the top drivers for
that year) are starting to get their spot in the points standings and potential
chase position, open up the field to the less consistent cars as they take
longer to get their program firmed up, … the question still remains if Jr is
13th and wrecks during qual, how does he get in the race … … … full time
drivers, attempt to get into every race to that point, get to roll out and
qualify the back up car if they fail to post a time due to wreck or mechanical
problem, not just a poor speed, with the primary.
Then maybe 2 or 3 provisionals: Past Champ (nice to see the old guys in the
field) and 1 or 2 for a T20 car that failed to make the race on speed. That
would be self-limiting as, if you’re not making the race on speed more than once
or twice, you’re probably not a T20 car either. This would cover the ‘Jr
wrecks, rolls out the back-up and doesn’t post a good enough qualifying speed’
so, as a T20 car, he gets a provisional.
Haven’t really drawn the picture that all would look like yet … just thinking
out loud.
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:39:17 CST, "WildWeasel" <wweasel…@www.carracing.com> wrote in
<xpednVnOUcX4ZIDanZ2dnUVZ_sOrn…@comcast.com>:
> … What if that scale shrank during the season? …
THAT is a cool idea! I think it is the kind of creative
thinking that Bob wanted to inspire with his challenge.
> … every 5 races you lose 5 guaranteed
>starting spots with the minimum number being the T12, ’bout the time of the
>chase. …
T12 may be too constrictive. I doubt that the number
would or should drop under T20 or T22 (12 chasers plus
10 others).
>Haven’t really drawn the picture that all would look like yet
> … just thinking out loud.
It has some attractive features.
Marty
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