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DE autopsy photos already in private hands???

Posted at 10:43 a.m. EST Thursday, March 8, 2001

Judge: Oak Hill man may have Earnhardt autopsy photos
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — (AP) — Lawyers battling over whether Dale
Earnhardt’s autopsy photos are public record were told by a judge that
an Oak Hill man may have copies of some of the pictures.

Circuit Judge Joseph Will said in a letter Wednesday to lawyers for
both Teresa Earnhardt, Dale Earnhardt’s widow, and the Orlando
Sentinel that his office received an anonymous phone call from someone
claiming that Timothy Campbell had some of the photos in his house.

The caller said Campbell planned to distribute the photographs, Will’s
letter noted. The judge ordered police to Campbell’s home, located
roughly 27 miles south of Daytona Beach.

Campbell told Volusia County Sheriff’s deputies that he had one photo
but kept it for sentimental reasons and never intended to make it
public. Police did not take the photo from the home, Campbell said.

Campbell said he obtained the photo from a friend who got it from an
unidentified worker at the Volusia County Medical Examiner’s Office.
Campbell may be charged with a crime if the photo was stolen from the
office, Sheriff’s detective Steve White said.

Medical examiner Thomas Beaver said the photo might be a fake, saying
that the actual autopsy photographs were taken with a digital camera,
saved on a compact disk and sealed in a vault.

Sentinel attorney David Bralow told Will that his client contacted
Campbell but stressed that the newspaper “would refrain … from
looking at this autopsy photograph, and we’re as good as our word.”

Dale Earnhardt died in a crash Feb. 18 at the Daytona 500. Teresa
Earnhardt sued Volusia County four days later to stop release of the
medical examiner’s photos. The next day, a Sentinel reporter made a
public-records request for the pictures.

Will agreed Wednesday to delay a hearing on the photo requests until
March 19. Legislation aimed at exempting autopsy photos and videos
from Florida’s public records law is scheduled to be heard on the
state House floor the same week.

Sentinel Editor Tim Franklin has said repeatedly that the newspaper
has no intention of publishing the photos but wants to view them so
that a head trauma expert can make an independent determination of the
cause of death.

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Don't Forget the Ice…

A few posts have wondered what the ice thingie is all about.  This is
preserved in the rasner FAQ on http://rasnm.carracing.com
Those of you who have attended Talladega when the 2nd race was toward the
end of July (instead of in October) know that July in Talladega is the
hottest place on earth.  IMS, this exchange of posts took place in 1995. –
JT

5.6 – What does "Don’t Forget the ICE" mean?
Mr. Breland (again):
Never fails, everyone always wants to know what the deal is with the ICE
thing on R.A.S.N. Here’s the low-down… (at the request of the masses, a
condensed explanation)

Once upon a time, an excited (yet somewhat naive) NASCAR fan (Troy Bull)
respectfully requested some help in logistical details for attending a race
at Talladega.

>I am heading to Talledega in July. I have never been there or to any
>WCrace. I would like suggestions and warnings, basically, what should I >go

see? Do? (I am planning on time trials already). >I am staying in
birmingham, how early do I need to leave???? >Anything helpful would be
great…

The following exchange ensued…

(Mark A. Breland) writes:
>It’s gonna be hot!…last year in July it hit 103F on Sunday, with 90%+
>humidity. I assume you have seats in the grandstands. Make sure you
>have light clothes, sunscreen, a hat, a cooler with lots of ice, and
>(my personal lifesaver) a bandanna. The bandanna can be dipped in the
>icewater in your cooler periodically to swab down with. About 1:30 or
>so you’re gonna be soaking the bandanna, putting it on your head under
>your hat, tucking it into the back of your shirt, and filling it up
>with ice (which then melts down your back). That’s the only way I
>survived last year.

[lots more deleted]

- — -

(Mark A. Breland) writes:
>Here’s the deal…those of y’all headed to Talladega this weekend, we’re
>planning on meeting by the ticket booth (just outside the fence)
>immediately behind the O.V. Hill South Tower on SATURDAY at 8:00 AM.
>Look for the dinky little R.A.S.N sign hung on the fence. We’ll figure
>everything else out from there. If you miss us, give me a holler at
>(205) 956-8211 leave a message and we’ll try to hook up with you
>sometime Sunday.
>Barrey wants to get thrown in the pool, Danno wants to drink beer, John
>wants Rusty to win *reeeeeaaaaaaalllll* bad, and I just want y’all to
>bring ice…lots of ice…got that? Ice….bags, blocks, sacks, chunks
>of ice.
>Don’t forget…ice. ICE.
>BTW, bring ice.
>P.S. Did you remember the ice?
>Up close and personal reports will abound next week…as long as someone
>brings ice.
(Roger L Smith) writes:
>In a strange weather incident, a freak ice storm hit Talladega Alabama
>today. Officials said that so much ice hit the OV Hill towers at the
>speedway that even Mark Breland would be happy.
>(For those of you who are humor impaired, the above statement is a joke,
>but wouldn’t it be funny if it were true? :-) )
(Daniel Banyas) writes:
>A nice breeze took some of the edge off of the day – and we didn’t
>need all the ice we brought (Breland – the Ice King) but still it
>was a roaster!
(Barrey Jewall) writes:
>Got a styro cooler and some beer and uhhh.. ICE! that’s it, ice…
("flintj4…@cobra.uni.edu") writes:
>We drank a ton of beer, and sweat every ounce of it out. For all of you
>ragging on Breland for his ice comments-get off his back. It’s
>sunburnt, and he’s right. No ice, no live through race. I had a
>cooler packed with ice and my beer was STILL warm by the end of the
>race. Not cool at all. (no pun intended.)

It would also be fitting to include the most generous contribution of Ron K.
"stealer of quote lines from Brain THEE France":

>Unfortunately I have lots of ice but I won’t be at the track.
>I’ll look for you guys on T.V. though and wave. BTW my T.V. is
>next to the air conditioner which is next to the ice chest. If I
>see you, I’ll throw you some ice. Oh and if you need beer just hold
>up a sign saying hey Ron toss us some beer and I’ll throw you some
>along with some more ice. I drink MGD so I know you won’t complain
>about the beer choice.
>Ron K. who’s stocking up ice now for next year.

And that, folks, is the story of R.A.S.N and ice…
P.S. The moral of the story? Next time you go racin’………
Don’t forget the ICE! ;)

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Letter to Dale Earnhardt (Part 1 of 3) – Caution: LONG!

Hello,

I wrote this letter to Dale the day I found
out he had died.  I spent the day bawling,
reading updates on the ‘Net, and writing this.

I live alone, having just been stationed here
in Germany this past December.  I had no
one to really talk to about this – which is
the main reason I wrote the letter.  I am
posting this letter here now because I still
haven’t finished talking about how I feel
about Dale’s death.

I am sorry for the length…

Regards,
   Marilyn

++++++++++++++++++++++++
[begin part one]

February 19, 2001

Dear Dale:

"That’s racing," right? Well, I want you
to know that right now I’m a little
angry–and a lot heartbroken. What
happened? Your career wasn’t supposed
to end this way! After winning your eighth
championship, you were supposed to
quit driving and concentrate on being a
car owner: supporting your son, Dale
Jr., while continuing to find and nurture
new drivers for Dale Earnhardt
Incorporated. After your full retirement
from racing–a long time from now–you
were supposed to enjoy your last years
with your wife, your kids, and your
grandkids, and then die peacefully
in your sleep. Yesterday, February
18, 2001, during the 43rd running of
the Daytona 500, those suppositions
ended.

Yesterday’s running of the Daytona
500, the first race of the season, was
exciting for a while–heartbreaking
forever. As the cars roared along the
track, diving three-wide into the turns,
the drivers battling for position, fighting
to win, my excitement and enjoyment in
the race escalated. As usual, you were
among the front-runners, jockeying for
position: sometimes leading the race
yourself. I hoped–no, I knew–you
could win.

Unfortunately, the  "big one"–a horrific
wreck involving 20 cars–finally occurred
on lap 179. The wreck started
immediately behind you and, although
I was thrilled you weren’t involved, I
anxiously waited for word on the other
drivers. The race stopped while officials
cleared the track and determined every
driver’s condition; the television
announcers updated us on driver status.
With every driver safe, racing restarted
with 21 laps remaining. Those 21 laps
made the previous 189 appear tame as
you, Sterling Marlin, Michael Waltrip,
and your son, Junior, fought for the lead.
With 14 laps to go, Michael passed you
to take the lead, Junior right behind him.
As you stayed in third, it almost appeared
you were content to remain there, blocking
the other drivers, allowing your son or his
teammate a chance to win.

During the last ten laps of the race, I
fidgeted in my seat: my body twitched,
my pulse raced, and sweat soaked my
palms. Finally, I couldn’t sit still. By lap
195, I paced in front of the television,
chewing on my fingernails, hoping Michael
could pull off the win. Although I wanted
you–my favorite driver–to win, I thought it
would be awesome to see Michael win
his first Winston Cup race, especially
because of the chance you took in putting
him into a DEI car.

On the final turn of lap 199–the last
lap–I saw you, at over 180 miles per
hour, lose control and slam into the wall,
Kenny Schrader also going into the wall
beside you. Your car slid down the
banking and into the grass. While you
were still sliding, the camera view
switched to focus on Michael’s win, with
Junior 0.124 seconds behind him. It was
an exciting finish: one Michael undeniably
earned. I was so happy for him. But I
wasn’t the only one celebrating Michael’s
first win. During the final two laps,
Michael’s brother, Darrell–new to the
announcer’s booth after retiring from
driving last year–abandoned his
reporter’s objectivity. He talked directly
to Michael on the air and tears streamed
down his cheeks as he watched his baby
brother take the checkered flag. I will
always remember that moment. You
would have been proud.

As the race ended, and celebrations
began, there was no mention of
you–except Darrell commented on
how hard you hit that wall. The
television coverage continued with
Michael accepting congratulations and
spraying champagne in Victory Lane.
Still no news on your condition. A
replay showed Kenny Schrader,
uninjured, scrambling out of his car to
rush to your aid, and then frantically
waving for track officials. During an
interview, shortly after he left you, the
normally unflappable Kenny looked
shaken. He wouldn’t comment on your
condition, saying he was not a doctor.
I suspected then that you were injured–
perhaps seriously. As a long-time
racing fan, I’ve learned two things: a
driver is all right when he lowers the
driver’s side safety net, and no news
after a wreck is not good news. Your
net never dropped–we heard nothing
about your condition. Finally, the
camera focused on your ambulance
heading for Halifax Hospital less than
two miles away.

The race coverage ended. As the
credits rolled, I remember watching the
finishing order and thinking that a
twelfth place finish wasn’t so bad, you
had the whole season to charge for that
eighth championship. Lots of time…

After the broadcast, I rushed home to
get online to see how you were. No
news. I kept haunting the racing web
sites: NASCAR Online, Speedworld,
ESPN, thatsracing.com, Speedvision
Online–nothing. Finally, I had to go to
bed. I was six hours ahead of the time
zone in which the accident occurred
and it was now 1:00 am. Still no news.
As I went to sleep, I kept telling myself
you were okay–but I feared the worst.
I couldn’t get Kenny’s ashen face out
of my mind.

[end of part one]

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Letter to Dale Earnhardt (Part 2 of 3)- Caution: LONG!

[begin part two]

I woke up this morning and immediately
turned on my computer. As I logged
onto the Internet, I remembered that
I had set up the web site Yahoo.com
to appear when I initialized my browser.
Yahoo.com, a good source for breaking
news, would mention you if you were
seriously injured. If Yahoo.com didn’t
mention you, then you were fine. The
headline confirmed last night’s
foreboding: "Dale Earnhardt Sr. Killed
in Daytona 500 Crash."

I can’t stop crying.

I’ve watched NASCAR Winston Cup
racing since I was in high school: about
twenty years. I don’t remember when
I started cheering for you in your black
#3 GM Goodwrench Service Plus
Monte Carlo Chevrolet. At first, I
didn’t like you: not because you were
a bad driver–or an evil man–but
because you were so good. You
dominated the sport from 1985 to
1996. I tired of watching the #3 car
win race after race–you were
unstoppable. I remember telling anyone
who would listen that your bumper
expanded to the width of the track
whenever another driver tried to pass
you. I didn’t like you, but I was in
awe of, and respected, your driving skills.

My feelings started to change in 1993
after you–and Rusty Wallace–executed
a Polish Victory Lap in memory of
Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki. I
discovered you had a heart. In addition,
in the late 1990s, you appeared to be
slowing; the talk was that you should
retire. Maybe I started cheering for you
then, because, after all you had done,
I refused to believe you would fade
away. Then again, maybe it was
because you’ve always been there
on race day to provide excitement.
Actually, it doesn’t matter when I
switched my feelings: you were my
favorite driver, and after your second-
place finish in the point’s race last year,
I knew you could win that eighth
championship.

We all know that any driver can be
hurt or killed on the racetrack–
remember Neil Bonnett, Adam Petty,
Kenny Irwin, and Tony Roper. Of
course, drivers can also die off the
track: Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki.
However, you spent the past twenty
years convincing us that your nickname,
"Old  Ironhead," applied not only to
your mental state–but also to your
physical self. I remember watching you
climb out of that horrific wreck at
Talledega in 1996 with a broken
collarbone, only to race again the next
week. I’ve seen you hit the walls of
Darlington, Talledega, Martinsville,
Bristol, Dover, and even Daytona.
You seemed invincible.

My tears are for many reasons. I ache
for your friend, and fellow driver,
Sterling Marlin. Whether his car
drifted up to tap yours, or whether
you came down into him, he will
always be the man who had that fateful
last contact with you. It was an
accident–"one of them racin’ deals"–but
Sterling will have to live with the results.

I grieve for Michael Waltrip. Last
September, you announced Michael
would drive one of your cars. At the
time, no one understood your decision;
Michael had zero wins in 462 Winston
Cup starts. Nonetheless, he won the
43rd running of the Daytona 500 with
style, proving all he needed was a
chance and a good car. Thanks for
giving him that chance; may he have
many more wins. Michael earned his
victory in the 2001 Daytona 500, an
awesome race–until the 199th lap.
While elated over Michael’s win, I’ll
always regret that your death eclipsed
his biggest racing triumph to date. He
validated your belief in him by winning:
he should still be celebrating. Instead,
he mourns.

Selfish though it may be, my anguish
is also for me–and millions of other
fans. I can’t imagine a Winston Cup
race without the black #3, driven with
flair, aggression, and style by the
"Intimidator." No more will I say,
"You know he qualifies badly–wait
until race day!" No more of you
applying the chrome horn–moving
cars over so you can pass. No more
bumpers wider than the track. No
more people cussing you because "he
took out my favorite driver!" No more
defending you because others think
your racing is dirty. No more wincing,
thinking, "maybe that was a questionable
move." No more admitting that yes,
you are a bit rough, but hey, "that’s
racing!" No more anxiously scanning
the racetrack late in the race, looking
for that distinctive black car that had
to be on the move to the front. No
more will I see you come from behind
to take the checkered flag. No more
ear-to-ear grins as you win another race.
No more hopes for your eighth
championship. No more victory laps for
Old Ironhead–the Man in Black–the
Intimidator.

[end part two]

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Letter to Dale Earnhardt (Part 3 of 3) – Caution: LONG!

[begin part three]

Ultimately, whatever I–and every other
fan–feel about your death, however
much we knew this could happen, I
grieve for your family. Our loss pales
in comparison to theirs. The world
lost a racecar driver; your family lost a
son, a husband, a father, a grandfather,
and a brother. Your family shared your
love for racing and knew the risks
every time you climbed into that black
#3, but that doesn’t make your death
any easier. May they receive some
comfort from our demonstrations of
love and respect for you.

I realized today why I watched stock
car racing. Because of you: Ralph Dale
Earnhardt, Senior. Sure, you won 76
races and accumulated seven Winston
Cup and three IROC championships,
but those are mere statistics. Numbers
don’t describe the exhilaration of
watching you push yourself to the limit
for every race. Your talent was
phenomenal and, whenever you were
on the track, you guaranteed exciting
racing. How I wish that excitement
hadn’t ended.

Although you’re gone, I’ll still follow
NASCAR racing. After all, the drivers
are as familiar to me as my own family–
as you were. I want to see a lot more:
your cars continuing to win under the
capable hands of Michael, Junior, and
Steve Park; your son winning his first
Winston Cup championship; and the
ongoing success of your former
competitors. But, it will be a long time
before I watch another race–if ever. To
do so, I must lose the habit of always
looking for you on the racetrack. I don’t
think I can bear looking for your
distinctive #3, only to realize–over and
over–that you’ll never be there again.
It’ll never be the same. To me, you
were the heart and soul–the very
identity–of NASCAR Winston Cup
stock car racing. You drew us in and
whether we loved you, or loved to hate
you, we knew who you were. Thanks
for the memories and the twenty-plus
years of terrific racing. At age 49, you
died too young. I will miss you.

Love,

Marilyn

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Tom Cruise/Dale Earnhardt

I can not find any info, but a friend said he heard that Tom Cruise was
interested in making another movie about Nascar,  aka a  Dale Earnhardt
story,,,,,, anyone else heard this ?

gmr…@cin.net

Greg and Kathy
P-town, Illinois

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NASCAR/San Francisco

Hey folks,

I’m looking for an SF or SF Bay Area bar where I can settle in on Sunday and
watch the races and not be the only one who’s interested. Can anybody help me
out? I’d appreciate it.

Thanks,
Gerry

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Ping: Mike Grandy

>Mike Grandy
>Proud Member of Precision Racing

Soooooo…………… tell us about it.  Inquiring minds want to know…

JT

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The final word on Fox…sorta

Some of us think they’re doing a good job.  Some of us don’t.  Time will
tell the story.

It sucks that my cable provider doesn’t give me FX when 5 miles up the road
the same provider gives it.
We’re being told that may change, but no word on when.  We’ll all keep
calling.  DSS is starting to look real good to me though.  Don’t they make a
12" dish that you can sit on a table inside your house at a window?  Any
good?

I like the ticker and the graphics!  Nyah!  :)

Whatever else we may all think, I think we can all agree that it has been an
extraordinary start to the 2001 Nascar season.  Extraordinary in some
incredibly awesome ways,  extraordinary in one incredibly tragic way.

Damn!  I miss Dale!  It hurts worse than ’93 and I didn’t think that was
possible.

Hey Davey!  I still miss you too man!

Hey Flagman!  Welcome back!   Are you involved in the local tracks anymore
at all?

Hey Marty!  Today I found the sweater I thought I’d mailed months ago.  UPS
will get it tomorrow.
(Just in time for warm weather.)

I’m not a prolific poster these days, but I’ve really been enjoying reading
this group this year.  Yeah, we’ve crossed the line here and there a time or
two.  But the vast majority of the discussions have been cordial, with good
information, tough give and take arguments, and a real sharing of ideas and
sometimes, emotions.  Kinda takes me waaay back to the early days of rasn.
On behalf of the entire mod-squad,  I want to thank you ALL for being here.

JT
"Don’t make it personal, don’t take it personal."

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What this means is that while two separate violations of the rasnm Charter
may *appear* to be the same type of violation, the past history of the
parties involved make each violation unique. Therefore the action taken by
the moderators is determined by what the situation warrants. For instance,
a violation of Charter by someone who has a history of abiding by the
Charter in their posts may be ignored the first time. However, the same
exact offense by someone who has repeatedly demonstrated their
unwillingness to abide by the Charter may be dealt with more strongly.

6.8 – If I don’t agree with a moderator’s decision, what is my
recourse?

You may appeal decisions to the moderation team by emailing them at
rasnm-m…@carracing.com

6.9 – Who are the moderators?

The moderation team consists of:

John Martin – jtmar…@martincomputers.com
Bob Paxton – bpax…@carracing.com
Lisa A. Carbrey – lcarb…@carracing.com
Martin Moleski – mole…@canisius.edu
Chris Watkins – C_Watk…@carracing.com
Ken Kraus – poppy…@hotmail.com

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The rest of the RASNM FAQ, which is more general about NASCAR and stockcar
racing, is available on the web at http://rasnm.carracing.com.

The moderators and charter committee would like to thank carracing.com
(http://www.carracing.com) for the equipment and connectivity they provide
that runs this newsgroup.

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